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#21 labradort

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Posted 15 October 2016 - 08:23 AM

You can see even in this discussion, the way some people want to resist any cooperation.  That is the same feeling in the poachers.  You want to live by your own rules.  You want freedom.  Like a child, you don't understand why the rules exist.  Like a rebellious teen or a business man's lawyer, the brain engages in ways to interpret the words so you can regain some of that freedom, for your own gain.  That is not community, and there are too many of us living here to not have community.


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Posted 15 October 2016 - 02:11 PM

You can see even in this discussion, the way some people want to resist any cooperation.  That is the same feeling in the poachers.  You want to live by your own rules.  You want freedom.  Like a child, you don't understand why the rules exist.  Like a rebellious teen or a business man's lawyer, the brain engages in ways to interpret the words so you can regain some of that freedom, for your own gain.  That is not community, and there are too many of us living here to not have community.

I think if you take a closer look, and long before anything reached the papers, this whole issue has nothing more to do than the present natives who have free reign over the moose not wanting to share the free for all with anyone. This stems from the recent decision on our government to issue native status to others. This in example is about the same as Ian saying the bow hunters did not want muzzle loaders in the woods. Its nothing more than pure greed. Not one tax payer dollar should go into it. Like Nomad said funny how no concern was with the cull. If you have little knowledge then I say folks should take a closer look before jumping in. Go there spend some time, I guarantee you will be shocked. Flip through the pages in all the past moose forums, the problems are mentioned year after years. Who does this benefit. Definitely not a non native, 300 or so tags. If it was about cooperating why did the Chiefs not in good faith throw some tags to non natives out of the cull of forty. Nothing mentioned about any concerns then. Please just let this poor animal vanish. The barbaric hunting that is occurring there is beyond belief. Why are natives shooting young cows and calves, cows carrying calves, hunting 12 months of the year, this is no concern then or now. When the first moose draws occurred I can remember natives respecting that these were the periods that the draw gave out tags to non natives. You could hunt, and no natives were hunting during that time, so it seemed. Ten years later if you win a draw, picking an area means nothing to them, they drive past you into the area you are set up, shoot all night. Many go to Cape Breton but return with no moose, yet the government now hides the fact. It would be best for all to let this poor animal just die off. Its not about me resisting cooperation, what am I gaining by cooperating, and paying more taxes to police this big government made mess. In the end the moose belong to the natives, were put there solely for that reason, certainly not for non natives.


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Posted 15 October 2016 - 03:07 PM

I have a native friend that's been hunting for a moose all this week never seen a one. There are 9 people in his hunting group and only one moose has been taken in a week long hunt. He has told me some crazy stories of what goes on during the moose hunt like some people shooting 7 moose. Last year he seen a truck with a 15 foot platform built on the back with a seat on top and 3 big spotlights. Wonder what they used that for? I think like others on here let them shoot every moose and then there will be no more issues!
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Posted 15 October 2016 - 07:12 PM

You can see even in this discussion, the way some people want to resist any cooperation.  That is the same feeling in the poachers.  You want to live by your own rules.  You want freedom.  Like a child, you don't understand why the rules exist.  Like a rebellious teen or a business man's lawyer, the brain engages in ways to interpret the words so you can regain some of that freedom, for your own gain.  That is not community, and there are too many of us living here to not have community.


Community my a$$ lol. I would be willing to bet any discussion taking place between the fed and the Mi'kmaq is not one of give and take. I would bet Rod and his counterparts took "give" off the table right from the outset. The long and the short of it is they need us to fight for their territory. No thanks!! Remember Clifford Paul's attitude during the cull? Remember how he said non-natives were welcomed to assist in the cull? We assisted alright......to the tune of over $ 11000 per moose ( all costs added in). For the record , I was and am still opposed to a cull. Again, I still say the fed should tell them to go get f$&#ed.
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Posted 15 October 2016 - 08:30 PM

What I find interesting is only partial native peoples seemed to be predigested against being able to do the activities there ancestors did . What is the difference ? The creator does not hold revenge against those who choose to come together as a family. So why this process against inclusion?
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Posted 16 October 2016 - 07:10 AM

Some questions...(I don't expect any answers...that would certainly be atypical of those involved!! :lol:  :wacko: )...

 

1) Has the NSFAH enlisted specialists in race relations...and more specifically the Indian Act ?

2) Is the NSFAH prepared to take on / participate in any action against the Indian Act in the Supreme Court of Canada ?

3) Who, from the Federation, is actually, physically participating in these discussions with Chief Googoo ?

4) How (Who) is the Federation determining the facets of Chief Googoo's wishes that are to be supported ?

5) Under what authority is the Federation involved ?

 

This is much, MUCH more than simply Highland's moose.

Federal recognition of the Qalipu (Newfoundland Mi'kmaq descendants) is at its heart.

 

So...IF this is trully about moose...in my opinion...

 

People can only control that which is under their immediate control.

The NS Mi'kmaq community needs to get their own house in order before dictating to others that they clean up theirs...ie. institute controls over their band members.

If they aren't prepared / willing / taking actual steps to do that...they aren't sincere...and the NSFAH is simply a political pawn.

If they don't have the authority / means to do that...neither does the NSFAH.

 

The Pandora's Box that we know as the Native hunt in the Highlands was opened and exploited by the Mi'kmaq.

They need to fix what they can fix (which means controlling themselves) first before the hunters of this province give them any support...IMHO.


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Posted 16 October 2016 - 07:15 AM

wouldn't it be nice if the liberal controlled media ran a story on the the Indian Moose harvest (aka Highland Games shooterfest)

plastered it across our airwaves on the suppertime news

I wonder if joe public would be quick to support their beating on the drum by the side of the highway protests

wonder how much public support would wain for our crusaders then

maybe this needs to happen

Natural Resources should shut down the harvest until  moose hunting can be done ethically, orderly and humanely

but that is not going to happen

but I do have sympathy for those traditionalists in the Indian Community who are ethical-these are the people who should be screaming

they have the most to lose


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Posted 16 October 2016 - 07:31 AM

the whole situation needs to be aired out to the masses

woods and waters is no longer with us because of limited readership

a good public shaming is in order


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Posted 16 October 2016 - 08:04 AM

Some questions...(I don't expect any answers...that would certainly be atypical of those involved!! :lol:  :wacko: )...
 
1) Has the NSFAH enlisted specialists in race relations...and more specifically the Indian Act ?
2) Is the NSFAH prepared to take on / participate in any action against the Indian Act in the Supreme Court of Canada ?
3) Who, from the Federation, is actually, physically participating in these discussions with Chief Googoo ?
4) How (Who) is the Federation determining the facets of Chief Googoo's wishes that are to be supported ?
5) Under what authority is the Federation involved ?
 
This is much, MUCH more than simply Highland's moose.
Federal recognition of the Qalipu (Newfoundland Mi'kmaq descendants) is at its heart.
 
So...IF this is trully about moose...in my opinion...
 
People can only control that which is under their immediate control.
The NS Mi'kmaq community needs to get their own house in order before dictating to others that they clean up theirs...ie. institute controls over their band members.
If they aren't prepared / willing / taking actual steps to do that...they aren't sincere...and the NSFAH is simply a political pawn.
If they don't have the authority / means to do that...neither does the NSFAH.
 
The Pandora's Box that we know as the Native hunt in the Highlands was opened and exploited by the Mi'kmaq.
They need to fix what they can fix (which means controlling themselves) first before the hunters of this province give them any support...IMHO.

Agreed, so well said. Be interesting to watch this roll out at the Federal/Supreme Court level. However this certainly is not a NSFAH issue. I have an immediate family member whom is Qalipu ...although he is not a Hunter....Greed is an evil beast, it sure is evident in Mr Googoo's article, once you filter out the fluff..
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Posted 16 October 2016 - 10:11 AM

why not send it off to the news. I'm sure some amateur reporter would run with it, just send them a screen shot of this discussion should be enough discussion here to get something thinking.


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Posted 16 October 2016 - 10:45 AM

Bob and MWO you guys are spot on. Excellent posts. Just by the con census in this thread, you can gauge the support (or lack there of)
For the NSFAH licking the Mi'kmaq boots. They shot the highlands to death for almost 3 decades and refused to listen to any concerns and now they reach out? This is obviously not just about hunting and fishing rights. Again I say, tell them to f&$% off.
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Posted 16 October 2016 - 12:12 PM

Why bother posting anything at all on the subject...? (Especially if its just little more than a sounding board for sh*t talk)
makes little sense to tell people to F%$K off, to burn any bridges before they are even built! (if you ask me..)
but eh..whatever, some people are just the way they are.(its always the same group of indivuduals on here that stir the proverbial pot on these subjects)

There is really no need to be ignorant towards others though.. no matter what you think.
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Posted 16 October 2016 - 02:40 PM

Seriously FNH, what reason would any of us have to not be suspicious, skeptical,leery etc of this situation. We ( the non native  anglers and hunters) have attempted  to establish dialogue on working together several times over the past 25 plus years. All we got was told to eff off and stop interfering with  your rights. Now all of a sudden, you're looking for our help  and cooperation?why? We have wanted bag limits, defined seasons, harvest reporting...you know, like the rest of us. Unless that's on the table, there is really nothing to talk about. Back when the Marshall decision was made, All the clubs expressed genuine concern that overhunting would be a problem. Native leaders sent DNR to our meetings to assure us there would be regulation.We all know how that played out.


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Posted 16 October 2016 - 03:09 PM

I think everyone (including the animals) would benefit from clarification on who can hunt and why under the existing treaties..

Whether it was 1 year ago or 50... a start is a start.

If you want to ask my opnion.
I feel its better to try and keep trying ... (even if you've failed before)..
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Posted 16 October 2016 - 07:30 PM

clarification from judges good luck which way is the wind blowing

politically appointed monkeys in robes

criminals walking the streets; laws struck down, everything legal no morals

money grubbers-there are cases that have been going on for years-meanwhile back at the trough

ever since those dickheads highjacked our country its been down hill

half of them so out of touch and senile any decision is a good one

most of the time the decision is reserved

you the Micmac lucked out on a couple

the next decision could be based on whether they pissed themselves that day

but then again your organization has lots of money and lawyers

don't expect changes to the shooterfest in this decade

meanwhile people like yourself who are ethical will suffer at the hands of your greedy unethical band members

where are the elders we hear so much about, what happened to the disney image of respecting the gift of the animal from God and the thanks

If i was an Indian I would be pissed at the lack of respect


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Posted 17 October 2016 - 09:37 PM

For those who are against seeking agreement, what do you think should be done?  Is there anything constructive to say?  If not, then you might as well yell at a post.  You might be right on the history, but that doesn't define the opportunity to change how this is managed, and the only chance it has is with dialogue.  It sure isn't going to be fixed by recounting the wrongs of the past and lumping in the behaviour of some individuals as if it was part of the management plan (we have idiot non-native hunters as well - it has nothing to do with enacting policies).


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 06:37 AM

? Are they idiot non- native hunter, or are they retaliation non- native hunters, There is a big difference. This **** was in no way started by the non native hunters..
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I can see it all now , the non native hunters filling the meeting halls now. Or maybe a ??sweat lodge??. RIGHT!!!


No difference between the 2 (except for an excuse to do what they want)..
No matter who you are.. if you ARE NOT HUNTING LEGALLY..
You are poaching / a poacher.. plain and simple...
 
Oak.. I dont think me or anyone is asking you to do anything..
I didnt create any messes btw...I, along with many only take what is required to fill my freezer.. (selectivley at that)
oh,  and maybe you should drop the thinly guised racial type insults..if you don't mind.
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Posted 19 October 2016 - 06:55 AM

i always thought wouldnt it be great if the two sides on this issue would/could get together and all pull in the same direction......maybe we could get some long outstanding issues solved.....imo...no matter how the parties come together......myself, i think it might be a good thing....


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 07:38 AM

Well perhaps you ought not use any Native references in your postings (such as Sweat lodges) if you don't understand their cultural significance.

 

I guess I' am very  sincere, if hunting ethically and not abusing the resources given to me by the creator falls under that heading...

Thx

 

I agree Bea, Like I said everything needs to start somewhere..

Worse case, nothing changes...

best case .. well the skies the limit on that one..


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 07:45 AM

i always thought wouldnt it be great if the two sides on this issue would/could get together and all pull in the same direction......maybe we could get some long outstanding issues solved.....imo...no matter how the parties come together......myself, i think it might be a good thing....

If only that were possible, would love to see that happen in my lifetime....but....Last year the Moose Cull in the park was a gift, an offering that could have opened those doors so wide. It was an opportunity missed, the Mikmaq leaders dropped the ball on that opportunity. Greed is ugly. According to the article that this post is about, the issue is not really about Aboriginals (Mikmaq) and Non Aboriginals working collectively. Once you get through the fluff you quickly see It is about Mr. Googoo wanting other groups, some of whom are perhaps other Aboriginal groups, out of the Hunt...He might be correct, if these other groups are not recongized, but when it comes to Aboriginal recognition, that is a Federal issue. Most folks I know, which includes Aboriginals do not support what is going on in CB. Perhaps it is them that should sit down at the table and Hammer out a deal, no Politics, no race, no Egos in the agenda...Simply long term sustainability of the Moose herd ..
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