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#1 ·
Has any of the trappers on here every applied for an authorization to carry a handgun while trapping? I keep hearing that it is not allowed in NS but since it is a federal permit I am not sure if a provencial regulation can over ride it. Some of the other provinces allow them.
Since the CFO is supposed to inform you in writing if he denies your application I was wondering if any one had actually been denied and if so what was the reason

Thanks
 
#4 · (Edited by Moderator)
Waye Out There, this one's for you.

Fur-bearing animals - permitted weapons

7 (1) Any person who is the holder of a valid Fur Harvesters Licence may possess a rim fire rifle of .22 calibre or less during the open season for harvesting fur-bearing animals, including Sundays during that season, for the purpose of dispatching animals in traps.

Subsection 7(1) amended: O.I.C. 97-522, N.S. Reg. 101/97; amended: O.I.C. 2007-229, N.S. Reg. 229/2007.

It's very clear....but if you really want to find out...go for it!!
Let me know how you make out
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#5 · (Edited by Moderator)
Authorizations to Carry Restricted Firearms and Certain Handguns Regulations

SOR/98-207

FIREARMS ACT

Lawful Profession or Occupation
3. For the purpose of section 20 of the Act, the circumstances in which an individual needs restricted firearms or prohibited handguns for use in connection with his or her lawful profession or occupation are where

(c) the individual is engaged in the occupation of trapping in a province and is licensed or authorized and trained as required by the laws of the province.

Here is the federal regulation that states that trappers can carry a restricted firearm.
I would think it would be like the transportation regulations for non restricted. Federal says you transpot them but provencial says you need a transportation permit I don't think provencial could ever say that you can't transport them at all.
I can see the province being able to restrict the calibers time of day and stuff like that but I can't see the province being able to remove a right granted under federal legislation.

It will cost me 40.00 to find out. It will be money will spent lol

Anybody care to define "rifle"
 
#7 ·
Well my friend...It will cost you far more then $40.00 if you caught in a wildlife habitat with a handgun.But the system is always looking for a poster boy....as I said "go for it".
Let me know how you make out when your stopped by a Mountie or Conservation Officer when your carrying a loaded handgun.
I'm thinking forty dollars will be the least of your worries....your call
 
#6 ·
Looks pretty cut and dry to me.

the individual is engaged in the occupation of trapping in a province and is licensed or authorized and trained as required by the laws of the province.


Since NS does not allow the use of handguns, it would go against the law, both on a provincial and federal level, as the federal law specifically states "as required by the laws of the province."
A province is allowed to make a federal law MORE restrictive or severe; not allowed to make it less so.

Another example is endangered and protected species laws. It is against Federal law to shoot such animals. The province determines some of the animals on the lists. It is illegal to shoot comorants in NS, not in NB or NL. Same as martin, you can take them in some provinces but not in others. They even do it within a province; martin are protected on the island of Newfoundland, not in Labrador; moose are protected on mainland NS, not in Cape Breton.
 
#12 ·
Ontario regs state that handguns are not allowed for hunting but trappers can get an ATC for dispatch purposes.
I understand that a province and make restrictions but can they outlaw something that is lawful under federal regulations. Ontario has quite a few hoops to jump through to get a permit but if you are willing to do all the jumping then you can get the permit. Hence authorized and trained as required by the laws of the province. I take this to mean the province is allowed to come up with what authorization and training will be required before the ATC is issued.
 
#8 · (Edited by Moderator)
Don't mean to come accross as a smart butt here but do you honestly think you are cutting new ground here. That being said it is a few years since I have heard of anyone donating the fee so you may get lucky which I would be shocked. Reason in the past there is nothing in the woods of nova scotia considered dangerous game that the currently allowed .22 rim fire rifle a trapper can carry 7 days a week will not take care of . Good Luck
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/form-formulaire/pdfs/680-eng.pdf
 
#14 ·
I am not sure if you have restricted firearms if you do then you already would know this. Transportation of restricted firearms is highly regulated.
To get permission to transport a restricted firearm for target shooting at an approved range, there are a few hoops to jump through. To begin the process to purchase a hand gun you need to be a member of a gun club. (Unless you already have a collator status) your gun club will issue an Authority to Transport which is referred to as an ATT,, This ATT covers movement of your hand gun to and from any approved range in Nova Scotia. (NOTE: If your don't have a valid membership your ATT is null and void)
To further that if you purchase a hand gun at a local store or even have it shipped to you, you need another permit to transport to your home, from the store or post office even though it is on your ATT.
I have a few contacts up north and in BC both provinces and territory's with predators, Bears, Wolves. They have told me that very few people they know have been granted restricted wildlife carry.
As others have said good luck let us know how you make out.

Respectfully
Mac63
 
#15 ·
Waaaaaaaaay Out There: Of course provincial governments can impose laws and restrictions that are not federally mandated. Some examples: it is NOT federally illegal to hunt on Sunday, it is NOT federally illegal to hunt deer with a .22 center fire, it is NOT federally illegal to drive an uninspected vehicle, it is NOTfederally illegal to discharge a firearm or bow in an area where there is woodcutting. Try doing any of these in Nova Scotia and you will find yourself in court pretty quick. The point is, just because the federal government says you MAY use a handgun to dispatch an animal, the provincial government may impose a more restrictive law, and be perfectly well within their right to do so.

PS. We are still going sea duck hunting (with SHOTGUNS)this fall, aren't we?
 
#16 ·
[quote name='Sam' date='19 August 2011 - 11:13 AM' timestamp='1313763219' post='63271']
Waaaaaaaaay Out There: Of course provincial governments can impose laws and restrictions that are not federally mandated. Some examples: it is NOT federally illegal to hunt on Sunday, it is NOT federally illegal to hunt deer with a .22 center fire, it is NOT federally illegal to drive an uninspected vehicle, it is NOTfederally illegal to discharge a firearm or bow in an area where there is woodcutting. Try doing any of these in Nova Scotia and you will find yourself in court pretty quick. The point is, just because the federal government says you MAY use a handgun to dispatch an animal, the provincial government may impose a more restrictive law, and be perfectly well within their right to do so.

PS. We are still going sea duck hunting (with SHOTGUNS)this fall, aren't we?

All of those things are NOT frderally mandated but if Federal regulations said that you could hunt on Sunday can a province then turn around and say that you can't? I can see the province being able to say that you can only hunt on sundays before noon or only at high tides or any number of other silly restrictions to make it NEAR impossible but because federal says it is possible I can't see them being able to say it is not possible at all.
As soon as I figure out how to trap seaduck legally I plan on getting an ATC for a .22 pistol just to make it more challenging.
Are you free on 1 Oct since the tides look good and it is the first day. I will make sure to let all the air out of my tires before we go.
 
#17 ·
[quote name='Mac63' date='19 August 2011 - 09:48 AM' timestamp='1313758082' post='63258']
I am not sure if you have restricted firearms if you do then you already would know this. Transportation of restricted firearms is highly regulated.
To get permission to transport a restricted firearm for target shooting at an approved range, there are a few hoops to jump through. To begin the process to purchase a hand gun you need to be a member of a gun club. (Unless you already have a collator status) your gun club will issue an Authority to Transport which is referred to as an ATT,, This ATT covers movement of your hand gun to and from any approved range in Nova Scotia. (NOTE: If your don't have a valid membership your ATT is null and void)
To further that if you purchase a hand gun at a local store or even have it shipped to you, you need another permit to transport to your home, from the store or post office even though it is on your ATT.
I have a few contacts up north and in BC both provinces and territory's with predators, Bears, Wolves. They have told me that very few people they know have been granted restricted wildlife carry.
As others have said good luck let us know how you make out.

Respectfully
Mac63
I do have restricted firearms. According to trappers on Canadian Trapper it is relatively easy to get a permit in BC.
 
#35 ·
Can anybody on here tell me when was the last time you were body searced by an R.C.M.P. officer while you were away from your home??hunting,shopping taking your dogs for a walk ? even hunting interesting results I bet,,,,,
You would only be caught once and then you would probably never be able to legally own a gun again but that doesn't seem to stop the boys in the city
 
#36 · (Edited by Moderator)
I read you posts yesterday fungy quickly but didnot get a chance to reply and now they are gone.
Regardlless if you are age 60 and read the papers or watch the news you would know you would have to be totally out of your mind today to carry a hidden handgun or use a gun to protect your self or your property.
There is a not a year goes by where some guy who is faced with people breaking into his home and grabs a gun and in the end he ends up in jail, losing his guns etc etc.
This is not the US. I go home to west virginia and my brother still shoots his 9mm in the back yard, has a 45 in the glove box of his ford truck and a shotgun in the back window however even down there it is changing also and not seen by all as acceptable like it once was.
Based on age like you I grew up with the 12ga in the kitchen and a box of shells on top of the fridge, 303 and 22 hanging on the wall in the porch.
Very proud to walk home in the middle of town with it open over my shoulder and a rabbit or grouse in the other hand.No more.
As far as being checked, well not for handguns but for ammo, licences etc.At least three times hunting geese in PEI,and at least three times hunting deer in NS but always dnr.
If you want to protect your home and yourself today a bat is about your best bet.
Here is one of many cases from this past january that all go the same way in canada when you use a gun to protect yourself you get charged. Watch the video and ask yourself about what is right for gun laws and protection in canada today. take care

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/01/20/man-faces-jail-after-protecting-home-from-masked-attackers/
 
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This might open up a can of worms , If it is your living you'll have to pay income tax , I'll be just as content to carry the rimfire rifle and let the sleeping dog lie
 
#39 ·
This might open up a can of worms , If it is your living you'll have to pay income tax , I'll be just as content to carry the rimfire rifle and let the sleeping dog lie [/i]
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Thenail
No problem, I claim all of my income, I just add my fur in with the nuisance wildlife stuff.

If you are selling any fur then you can be sure that the income tax man knows if you are receiving income or not. The fur buyer has to add it to his expenses as does NAFA and FHA.
 
#40 ·
I guess a pistol bullet would be considered a single projectile and would have the same discharge distance as rifles . Would that be correct?
 
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