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#1 Wendell

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Posted 02 March 2020 - 11:13 PM

A wildlife officer fined fisheries and land resources minister Gerry Byrne $86 for a having an un-plugged shotgun during a October 2017 hunting trip — just three months after he was appointed to the new cabinet role, leaving behind the advanced education, skills and labour portfolio. He was hunting near Gaff's Topsail in central Newfoundland, when a wildlife officer approached him for a trail-side check. The government's wildlife regulations state it is unlawful "to carry, transport or possess, in any area frequented by wildlife, any pump or autoloading shotgun unless it is plugged or altered so that it cannot carry any more than a total of three shells in the magazine and chamber combined." In a statement to CBC News, Byrne confirmed he did violate the wildlife regulations by not having the required plug in his 20-gauge long gun, which he says was newly purchased at the time. Byrne said it had not previously been fired. He said the firearm was locked, secured and unloaded and it remained with him, even after he was issued a ticket for the missing plug. "It was a good reminder to take better precautions to follow all necessary wildlife regulations and to encourage others to do so as well," Byrne said, adding that he paid the fine.

https://www.cbc.ca/n...-fine-1.5482248


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Posted 03 March 2020 - 07:09 AM

Big deal

It is a stupid law unless hunting migratory birds. Happened to me in Ontario but I caught it prior to going out

Pretty easy to happen especially a new gun

 One should focus on the positive here not the negative

He is human and even better out hunting with a gun

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Posted 03 March 2020 - 07:44 AM

All I can say is this , it's a good reminder for ANYONE who takes a new or recently purchased used firearm of any manner to examine it and due your due diligence to make sure it fall in with protocol of all existing hunting regulations .

Ignorance that it was recently purchased IMHO is no excuse not to check the Damm thing over to make sure ALL required laws are followed with firearm in a wildlife habitat .

Yes it can happen easily but checking it over ensures it WON'T happen to begin with .

As Fisheries and Resource Minister bet it was hard to wash that EGG of his Face , or was he just thinking my Portfolio will protect me from any Infractions of the Law . Either way he learned his lesson just like anyone else flaunting deliberately or unintentionally any wildlife management laws .

Any firearm I've purchased ALWAYS had full tear down and examination with cleaning to ensure it was safe and had any required plugs or mag limits met as required by law .
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Posted 03 March 2020 - 08:07 AM

Here is the problem. It is different province to province and really shouldn't be and in his case yes he should have known being from the rock . Mine in Ontario a total shock

 Here he would have been just fine

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Posted 03 March 2020 - 08:30 AM

Here is the problem. It is different province to province and really shouldn't be and in his case yes he should have known being from the rock . Mine in Ontario a total shock
 Here he would have been just fine
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I've been told numerous times it's required in any wildlife habitat to have the gun plugged , so easy to say your out upland hunting and then opportunity presents itself for waterfowl and you take it , then in direct violation , so many will say it was plugged when it wasn't to begin with .
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Posted 03 March 2020 - 09:51 AM

IMO, the best part of that headline - a  Govt Minister that actually hunts.


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Posted 03 March 2020 - 10:26 AM

I've been told numerous times it's required in any wildlife habitat to have the gun plugged , so easy to say your out upland hunting and then opportunity presents itself for waterfowl and you take it , then in direct violation , so many will say it was plugged when it wasn't to begin with .

Not true here. YET

Well then you would have to be carrying steel shot for the 20ga which few upland hunting do plus have a waterfowl licence which again many upland hunters may not

 None of my upland 20ga  guns can accept steel shot either, His new one would be oK I would say

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Posted 03 March 2020 - 10:26 AM

IMO, the best part of that headline - a  Govt Minister that actually hunts.

Agree

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Posted 03 March 2020 - 01:09 PM

I can see this as human error, he made a mistake, owned up to it, paid the fine and carried on, no problem with that. My pumps all have plugs in them and they never come out. 3 shells is more than enough. Things can change quickly, especially when you are shooting at critters on the move.. After three shots, it's time to take your finger off the trigger and re asses the situation. When I am in the woods and hear some one emptying their mag I absolutely cringe. On the range...not so much.


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Posted 03 March 2020 - 01:47 PM

Not true here. YET
Well then you would have to be carrying steel shot for the 20ga which few upland hunting do plus have a waterfowl licence which again many upland hunters may not
None of my upland 20ga guns can accept steel shot either, His new one would be oK I would say
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I know what I was told , then again they could be looking at the fact my waterfowl lic is stapled inside my book so all my lic are together , it's only been said to me when I'm carrying a pump , I don't use semi for upland hunting , as for my shot selection upland is always lead , Now waterfowling all my pumps or semis have their plug there at all times , if it's taken out for cleaning it's put back before the firearm goes back into service . I simply don't take the chance .
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Posted 03 March 2020 - 01:53 PM

I know what I was told , then again they could be looking at the fact my waterfowl pic is stapled inside my book so all my lic are together , it's only been said to me when I'm carrying a pump , I don't use semi for upland hunting , as for my shot selection upland is always lead , Now waterfowling all my pumps or semis have their plug there at all times , if it's taken out for cleaning it's put back before the firearm goes back into service . I simply don't take the chance .

It is not a bad thing to have it in for all hunting and all mine do but they cannot force or charge you if not here unless waterfowl hunting

 

Like I said so far :(

Coyotes would be a time I could see it may have an advantage if a couple come out

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 01:30 PM

Remember this if you are hunting in a federal wildlife managed zone such as Bellisle then the federal migratory lead free and shotgun restriction regulations apply, regardless of the small game you are hunting. As someone stated wise is the person who leaves their plug in and makes sure it is in place, always check your regulations and know your area as NS has a number of Federally managed zones. 

 

As for those who have shotguns not steel certified I can tell you this the days of lead for hunting in NS is seriously being looked at, one reason is that since it is on the federal side is there any reason not to. This talk is coming from the Government it self, I predict within 5 yrs max NS will be lead free as far as hunting small game with shotguns goes.

 

Personally having a Minister that hunts Newfoundland is so lucky, yes maybe he should have known better but he owned up paid the fine and didn't try to hide the fact. At least when someone asks hunting related questions they would get a reasoned response and not just a spur of the moment "not on my watch". 


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Posted 04 March 2020 - 02:06 PM

Remember this if you are hunting in a federal wildlife managed zone such as Bellisle then the federal migratory lead free and shotgun restriction regulations apply, regardless of the small game you are hunting. As someone stated wise is the person who leaves their plug in and makes sure it is in place, always check your regulations and know your area as NS has a number of Federally managed zones. 

 

As for those who have shotguns not steel certified I can tell you this the days of lead for hunting in NS is seriously being looked at, one reason is that since it is on the federal side is there any reason not to. This talk is coming from the Government it self, I predict within 5 yrs max NS will be lead free as far as hunting small game with shotguns goes.

 

Personally having a Minister that hunts Newfoundland is so lucky, yes maybe he should have known better but he owned up paid the fine and didn't try to hide the fact. At least when someone asks hunting related questions they would get a reasoned response and not just a spur of the moment "not on my watch". 

Love to see that info as far as current movement

That talk has been going back to 1998

 Don't bet any money with your prediction smile.png

 Government right now is up to their neck with way more important issues. They may have bit off a bit too much I am hearing on the old gun ban not to mention western canada has their head spinning LOL


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Posted 05 March 2020 - 12:43 PM

I know where everyone is coming from on this issue but the non toxic shot for hunting is being looked at as being phased in here in Nova Scotia, much the same way as Blaze Orange did back in the day. Our Lands and Forestry knows that steel shot is now available in all regular shot sizes from #7 on up. for most shooters it probably won't matter too much but if I was going to buy another new or used shotgun I would want it to be steel certified, all we are talking about is a regulation change. There are States right now  listing their small game as non toxic shot only since waterfowl require it why not simplify the process. I started seriously using steel about 10 yrs ago for everything small game, all my shotguns are screw in chokes all are steel certified and the shells are not hard to find. Woodcock and grouse #7and 6, for pheasant steel I go with usually #4 and 3. In fact some places carry more offerings in steel then lead, which points in the direction of steel in lead out. the last couple of years in the NS Regulation book they are pushing the message highly recommended that non toxic ammunition be used. That kind of wording is usually a way of preparing the public for changes. However time will tell.


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Posted 05 March 2020 - 01:59 PM

I know where everyone is coming from on this issue but the non toxic shot for hunting is being looked at as being phased in here in Nova Scotia, much the same way as Blaze Orange did back in the day. Our Lands and Forestry knows that steel shot is now available in all regular shot sizes from #7 on up. for most shooters it probably won't matter too much but if I was going to buy another new or used shotgun I would want it to be steel certified, all we are talking about is a regulation change. There are States right now  listing their small game as non toxic shot only since waterfowl require it why not simplify the process. I started seriously using steel about 10 yrs ago for everything small game, all my shotguns are screw in chokes all are steel certified and the shells are not hard to find. Woodcock and grouse #7and 6, for pheasant steel I go with usually #4 and 3. In fact some places carry more offerings in steel then lead, which points in the direction of steel in lead out. the last couple of years in the NS Regulation book they are pushing the message highly recommended that non toxic ammunition be used. That kind of wording is usually a way of preparing the public for changes. However time will tell.

 I am so far on the other end of this not worth getting into it. It is what is it and it is nothing personal. To each their own

I have to ask why one would think this now because we are leading the way ??? as stated in the past and it is not right for me to go there full bore now. WE all know where the message started and sadly for her where it stopped. Who is driving it NOW?????

Eliminate it at clubs and ranges and might as well close them now. 

This province is priceless. What about buckshot. We just got the OK and now that will be gone also

I am not even going there. If there was ever a place that was against growing the shooting sports we are living in it welcome to Nova Scotia

 If it was indeed a federal thing fine but it is not. It is a province thing or was

 Which states ?? other than california washington and oregon. The ones you think do are only in select wildlife refuge areas etc not state wide or public owned land 

 Blaze orange is a poor comparison

 Personally I don't give a crap anymore what they do here for hunting loads . Bigger fish to fry like having a gun to shoot anything out of IMO

But when this ban spreads to clubs and ranges and if we still have guns that is when the goose will be cooked and it will happen here if they enforce it into hunting upland

 LOL let me guess grouse are finding and eating lead shot. 

 Just watch the numbers of shooters drop out and give up the sport when the clubs are forced to close

 My only word on this

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Posted 05 March 2020 - 09:48 PM

While I was reading all the replies on this subject I am now confused more than ever.  It has always been my understanding that all pump and semi-auto shotguns were to have a plug restricting these firearms to 3 shells in total no matter what type of hunting you were doing.  In addition, the regulations for hunting was the law all across Canada.  Has something changed that I'm not aware of?

 

With regard to the lead out comments, our Government is getting sucked into all the environmental crap put out by the anti this anti that crowd.  All the hunters in Nova Scotia couldn't cause harm to out woodlands  for the next three hundred years by using lead.  The Government needs to focus on the dire things going on in our province, like the 20,000 in poverty and the 30,000 without a family doctor just to name several.

 

 


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Posted 06 March 2020 - 05:51 AM

While I was reading all the replies on this subject I am now confused more than ever.  It has always been my understanding that all pump and semi-auto shotguns were to have a plug restricting these firearms to 3 shells in total no matter what type of hunting you were doing.  In addition, the regulations for hunting was the law all across Canada.  Has something changed that I'm not aware of?

 

With regard to the lead out comments, our Government is getting sucked into all the environmental crap put out by the anti this anti that crowd.  All the hunters in Nova Scotia couldn't cause harm to out woodlands  for the next three hundred years by using lead.  The Government needs to focus on the dire things going on in our province, like the 20,000 in poverty and the 30,000 without a family doctor just to name several.

 

 

max 3 shells for migratory bird hunting - a federal law, so all across Canada. 

 

the Provinces/Territories each have their own hunting laws - they cannot change the migratory bird reg of 3 shells max. because its a federal law. However, they can make laws for other critters. So, in NS, you can have more than 3 shells while hunting other game - except on federal managed areas.


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Posted 06 March 2020 - 07:55 AM

To me the only one it would have maybe an advantage would be coyote hunting when two come in or maybe crow hunting

The rest if you cannot hit it with three rounds best get back to the club

 Not like we have any real nuisance seasons here like snow geese out west

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Posted 06 March 2020 - 12:18 PM

Personally I don't see the need for ANY game animal including coyotes , cripes even my rifles are only loaded with 3 rounds in the mags , my son questioned me on this different times , if your rifle is properly sighted in the first one should suffice , second one only if really needed 3rd is jûst there as a backup , even my .22s have no more than 3-4 rounds in them .

As for the plug issue in pumps and semis , I was always told it's to be or in , I've never even considered taking it out for coyote , then again most times if it's in range it's usually dead first or second shot , timing , shot placement and patience just pays off . Never pays off rushing the shot and with those animals , don't need to educate them anymore than already a pretty smart critter .
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Posted 06 March 2020 - 12:35 PM

Bryne is an absolute idiot. As fisheries minister he attempted to be rid catch and release salmon fishing from NL and even implemented an unenforceable 10 fish released per season limit. Meanwhile, the guy was pushing hard for aquaculture in regions of the Provence where salmon stocks are considered at risk. He tried his hardest to manage salmon provincially when they are federally managed. The result of this finagling delayed the effective opening of the season by a week because he claimed the licences were not yet printed due to the reduced salmon tags that season. Meanwhile when licences were finally sold, they came with the standard 6 tags  (only 1 was valid) and last years regs, falsifying his claims. This caused lots of issues for outfitters and guides. A few of the provinces fishing shops closed due to the after effects of a lot of his BS. Yeah sure he hunts, but in NL that's nothing special. If there is a member of government that I want representing outdoors people, he's the last one on the list.


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