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The Clown next door just got nailed for building a shed , 2 building inspectors just showed up and ripped him a new one for no permit , no certified trusses , steel siding put just rails for the roof , improper construction methods and using wood from pallets and repourposed wood . Was ordered to tear it down in 7 days or fines will be added to his taxes as way of making sure now fines are paid .

Seems they have cracked down on methods and types of wood allowed to do construction
You and I have discussed the wood grades allowed in the past and I was not allowed to use rough lumber for any framing or home made trusses and you were so maybe they are now all on the same page
They say with that last NS code revision in 2020 a lot was changed but it is too long and I am too lazy to read it since my major building requirements are DONE other than replacing things on the house which I know if over 5000 a permit is required
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Of course they have. The man always trying to keep us down. They know what’s best for you
NO that is the problem guys think they know better and can do as they please and I agree they should crack down. That way when one buys something they know it was properly constructed to code rather than a piece of crap hiding under siding etc as many find out after they buy
Friend just put a roof on his house to find the home built in the late 70's had 1/4 yes 1/4 inch plywood under the roofing shingles UNREAL
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You and I have discussed the wood grades allowed in the past and I was not allowed to use rough lumber for any framing or home made trusses and you were so maybe they are now all on the same page
They say with that last NS code revision in 2020 a lot was changed but it is too long and I am too lazy to read it since my major building requirements are DONE other than replacing things on the house which I know if over 5000 a permit is required
Thank God I am finished
It’s so messed up there isn’t some sort of exemption for using your own wood on your own land, especially out in the woods. I get codes in urban and town areas, but when you can’t be seen from the road? Way wayyyyyyy too much government overreach. You can’t do nothing without the leeches showing up. You also can’t live in a trailer on your land either, they’d rather you sleep out in the cold. Atleast then you’d be a useful homeless statistic for their pro socialist nonsense
 

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NO that is the problem guys think they know better and can do as they please and I agree they should crack down. That way when one buys something they know it was properly constructed to code rather than a piece of crap hiding under siding etc as many find out after they buy
Friend just put a roof on his house to find the home built in the late 70's had 1/4 yes 1/4 inch plywood under the roofing shingles UNREAL
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if you want to buy something property constructed maybe hire a reputable contractor to check it out before buying? Just like a mechanic to hoist a car up before buying.
Of course tho personal responsibility is way gone these day. Socialism and big government is here
 

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if you want to buy something property constructed maybe hire a reputable contractor to check it out before buying? Just like a mechanic to hoist a car up before buying.
Of course tho personal responsibility is way gone these day. Socialism and big government is here
To get a loan for a home you have to hire an inspector but who can see the plywood on the roof is 1/4 " or the studs in the walls are rough lumber as two examples
Being forced to build to code is the only proper way that way everything is seen and inspected in stages Has nothing to do with big government but rather protecting the buyer and seller
A good one lately was after the storm guys were freaking out to find no hurricane clips were ever installed on their trusses and some I know took down their soffits and installed them since
 

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It’s so messed up there isn’t some sort of exemption for using your own wood on your own land, especially out in the woods. I get codes in urban and town areas, but when you can’t be seen from the road? Way wayyyyyyy too much government overreach. You can’t do nothing without the leeches showing up. You also can’t live in a trailer on your land either, they’d rather you sleep out in the cold. Atleast then you’d be a useful homeless statistic for their pro socialist nonsense
No exception I know of but never checked and would be shocked in 2022 if there is. Only exception I know exists is if you are an engineer you can approve some items outside of code
 

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To get a loan for a home you have to hire an inspector but who can see the plywood on the roof is 1/4 " or the studs in the walls are rough lumber as two examples
Being forced to build to code if the only proper way that way everything is seen and inspected in stages Has nothing to do with big government but rather protecting the buyer and seller
A good one lately was after the storm guys were freaking out to find no clips were ever installed on their trusses and some I know took down their soffits and installed them since
The reason someone would harvest timber off their own land to build a house is to avoid a loan. You can’t even get a occupancy permit in this hell hole without being wired up to the crooks at NSP. Of course it’s “privatized” sure sure, red tape closes out competition or alternatives and it’s basically also socialist/public, which is how they’re able to charge up the ass.
 

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No exception I know of but never checked and would be shocked in 2022 if there is. Only exception I know exists is if you are an engineer you can approve some items outside of code
In the US, some states have a native lumber act or homesteading act, which exempts farm houses or homesteaders from codes. We should have that here. NB and PEI recently made exemptions for camps up to 650 sq ft as well
 

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The reason someone would harvest timber off their own land to build a house is to avoid a loan. You can’t even get a occupancy permit in this hell hole without being wired up to the crooks at NSP. Of course it’s “privatized” sure sure, red tape closes out competition or alternatives and it’s basically also socialist/public, which is how they’re able to charge up the ass.
Even no loan needs a permit and has to be inspected to code . All the old loop holes are pretty much gone
 

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In the US, some states have a native lumber act or homesteading act, which exempts farm houses or homesteaders from codes. We should have that here. NB and PEI recently made exemptions for camps up to 650 sq ft as well
My family comes from west virginia and my shed would be a mansion in many places
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Thanks man, I’ve lurked for years but this thread made me wanna sign up and blurt out what I said lol. It’s good to have a local forum to NS
Just don't take anything said here personnel since it is not and some times we beat the crap out of each other:p other times same guys are in a group hug :) In the end a good bunch here with a lot of experience and knowledge on most subjects from plants to hunting
 

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Even no loan needs a permit and has to be inspected to code . All the old loop holes are pretty much gone
That’s what I mean though, shouldn’t need to be permits or building codes in an farm exemption. Now given that, if you were to sell the property, I believe you should be legally obligated to disclose it wasnt inspected therefore could not be built “up to code”. I believe in codes when 3rd parties are involved, obviously condos, places of business, buildings that could tip and fail into neighbouring property etc. the government has to take the boot off the throat of the small people and let live. It is hard as hell to be a off grider legally yet our government boasts green living etc, but they won’t allow people to live small lives… of course there’s no $$ or tax in that I suppose.
 

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That’s what I mean though, shouldn’t need to be permits or building codes in an farm exemption. Now given that, if you were to sell the property, I believe you should be legally obligated to disclose it wasnt inspected therefore could not be built “up to code”. I believe in codes when 3rd parties are involved, obviously condos, places of business, buildings that could tip and fail into neighbouring property etc. the government has to take the boot off the throat of the small people and let live. It is hard as hell to be a off grider legally yet our government boasts green living etc, but they won’t allow people to live small lives… of course there’s no $$ or tax in that I suppose.
No idea. Just know one friend who owns an organic farm here and mr green I call him
100% off grid with solar etc for power and had to build with permits and inspections and even had to hook up with NS power where he sells power back to them if he has extra and gets peanuts for it. He's the dude that has an electric truck on order for like 3 years :(
 

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I think I have said this a couple times. For me the expense was to great to not go with permits. Going to the office to declare I was going to build a two story garage first before building a new house to store my tools was not allowed with the new bylaws. So they said no, house first. When I decided to be stubborn about it and build a cabin from the two story garage plans instead they were on high alert. There is no separate inspections for cabins or camps, it falls under normal residential codes here. Every thing is the same, four major inspections, perk test, septic tank, surveying, NSP approval, even being off grid, etc. Lots of money$$$. My buildings has an approximate value today of $150,000 today. Be pretty foolish to cut corners there. I have stated the same in my reply, not going with permits leaves one open to any complaints by near by neighbors. My cabin is now 800 feet from a new dwelling. I knew it would get built up and I would be discovered. By going with the permits I am able if I choose to list and be problem free. If your considerable distance from others then one may think differently. I am in the process of building a 14x14 building either here at my residence or at my cabin. That cost is something I am willing to risk. Just paid $1300 for structural materials. It would be crazy money to get the permits for that especially declaring I would be staying in it. People should not mix the requirements for garage, or a shed size building with one you plan on staying in, totally different rules apply there. I have mentioned this before. Most cabins even going with permits in parts of Nova Scotia are called seasonal. Seasonal means no winter use, no closed up walls, insulation. I know sounds crazy to be that way when one would spend so much to legally build. Again it comes down to where you build, how far out of sight from neighbors, and what your investing in it when making your decision.

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I still agree with Tony that it is important to talk to those that know and forget about what some did years ago or think they can still do
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They have even changed the NS building codes in the last few years Oct of 20 20 to be exact and seasonal , camps/ cabins are now in it with special requirements/ exemptions and their own section and must be following if no dwelling on the property FIRST which is why that is, Cannot build a shed by itself any more or a cabin legally alone on a piece of land without the new codes being followed
Full details are in the NS building code under this section.which fully outlines what is and is not required but too long for me to read :)

Section 9.38. Recreational Cabins 9.38.1.
Scope 9.38.1.1. A
Application (1) For the purposes of this Section, a recreational cabin means a building with a residential occupancy which meets all of the following: (a) it is used or intended to be used as a single dwelling unit; (b) it is principally used for a seasonal recreational activity; (c) it is two storeys in building height or less; and R1 29 October 31, 2020 (d) it is not used as a permanent residence. (2) A building described in Sentence (1) shall comply with the requirements in Part 9, Division B of the National Building Code of Canada and in Part 3 of this Reg



I don't believe anything you now say :p:pI think you went from pussy cat in that last life to a bad black cat in this one :D:D and it all boils down to that. 1300 buck for a 14x14 must be a shack :) I just built a shed this summer for a friend 12x16 and it was 4500 before we were done
Then again maybe you are building a new cat house :p:p
I am not disagreeing with you on what a shed cost these days but when did you ever see 1/2 inch OSB for $18.50, 2x4's at $4.40. Why do you think I bought them. Crazy deal for building a14x14 shed.
 

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You and I have discussed the wood grades allowed in the past and I was not allowed to use rough lumber for any framing or home made trusses and you were so maybe they are now all on the same page
They say with that last NS code revision in 2020 a lot was changed but it is too long and I am too lazy to read it since my major building requirements are DONE other than replacing things on the house which I know if over 5000 a permit is required
Thank God I am finished
I have said this before what is allowed is different in different locations. My cabin is in a different county than my house, different rules for each. During the pandemic I watched my neighbor near my cabin saw hemlock, spruce and pine into lumber. He had a inspector grade it. From the wet pile it went right into two houses being built around the corner. How the hell can wet lumber of three different wood types be used and passed as structural lumber in a new house, but it is here. Should be interesting once the heat comes on :)
 

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I am not disagreeing with you on what a shed cost these days but when did you ever see 1/2 inch OSB for $18.50, 2x4's at $4.40. Why do you think I bought them. Crazy deal for building a14x14 shed.
Even so. I built mine in 2001 12x16 and it was 3000 when done and no power or insulation studs were 99 cents and 1/2 plywood 13 bucks :) still have the slips :)
Yes 2x8 wolmanized joists and 3/4 plywood floor and siding but rest just standard construction Can't build a dog house today it seems for less than 500
 

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If you go the permit route you will have to acknowledge what it is going to be used for. Once they know its a shelter to stay in every thing changes. They will make you do a perk test first. They will then make you survey approximately 2 acres out of your land to build on. If your land is not already surveyed prior that will be problematic and costly. Last time I checked here it was $5000 for 800 feet of cut survey line. Then they will need special tanks etc for sewage, grey water etc. What and how your building sits on will be another issue. Permits don't let you do a lot of things that you would normally do or think you can do. Many areas now have some pretty crazy bylaws. For me your building will be big enough if given a hassle done the road could be moved. Like I say I know what I would do for something that size. Build it, enjoy it. The fees involved in getting permits will double your costs. Think of what your cost will be to erect, do I need to ensure it because of its value, use that to determine permit yes, or permit no. I have seen such buildings erected over the years that wood cutters have been allowed as a shelter to eat lunch, warm up etc. No one tears those down. Maybe that's what you intend to build:)
And these are some of the reasons i decided not to get a permit.The whole waste water thing in itself is nitemare.My camp is at least 15kms from any dirt rd.It also has a fancy styrofoam toilet mounted on a plywood box,over a hole in the earth with a touch of lime.To me the whole point of having a camp is to be as far away from as much as possible.People,roads,noise.
Otherwise its a cottage or a home.
 

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Even so. I built mine in 2001 12x16 and it was 3000 when done and no power or insulation studs were 99 cents and 1/2 plywood 13 bucks :) still have the slips :)
Yes 2x8 wolmanized joists and 3/4 plywood floor and siding but rest just standard construction Can't build a dog house today it seems for less than 500
You shouldn't have spaced you studs 8 inches apart :)
 
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