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Just FYI....some new legislative changes were quietly introduced on July 7 / 2021 for owners of restricted and prohibs.
This was received as part of an IPSC update for our club members at LRGC

Part of C-71 that started last week...concerning the ATT that's associated with your PAL.

Your PAL is still an ATT for any approved range in your province of residence, and you can use it to take firearms home , that you have purchased....ie...from joe blow down the street..or the post office (if that was your designated shipping delivery spot) or a store in your province so long as ONCE YOUR TRANSFER IS COMPLETE, AND IT'S OFFICIALLY YOUR GUN !

....so far so good right ??

NOW....your current ATT, NO LONGER COVERS YOU for taking your gun anywhere else !!!
..you can NO LONGER TRANSPORT it to a gun dealer...a gun smith...a gun show...the border...(( basically any ad-hoc trip )) you had planned.
For ANY of those trips, you'll need to get a short term ATT from the CFO's office !!!

PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF THIS...SO NO ONE GETS INTO ANY UNWANTED TROUBLE...UNKNOWINGLY !!!

GONNA BE A CONSTANT BATTLE PEOPLES !!!!
 

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Thanks Kevin
Yep and a constant battle we keep losing and will not stop until they get them either into a form of a storage facility at the club or they take them away from us
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Gonna be hard to enforce unless they notify and cancel current ATT. Mine ( which is in my wallet- the little piece we discussed a while back) says right on it that I can transport to the places you listed. They have to notify valid holders of current ATT of changes especially if they intend to cancel the conditions written on the ATT.
 

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Not if you're in a road block-check stop and someone asks or looks.
That info was passed out so that the average restricted / prohib gun owning law abiding citizen could be updated, kept in the loop and perhaps spared any problems in the future. Any excuse or loophole for them to extract a few more LEGAL firearms out of properly authorized owners is fine with them !
**Did any of the licensed holders get their personal notifications when the 1500+ of their firearms were listed as banned because of the same bill C-71 ? Not likely.
The gub'ment can do as they please PERIOD !! The onus is on YOU to be informed and to stay on top of the changes ! Ignorance of the law is no excuse. (( think I may have heard that some place before ))
 

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Not if you're in a road block-check stop and someone asks or looks.
That info was passed out so that the average restricted / prohib gun owning law abiding citizen could be updated, kept in the loop and perhaps spared any problems in the future. Any excuse or loophole for them to extract a few more LEGAL firearms out of properly authorized owners is fine with them !
**Did any of the licensed holders get their personal notifications when the 1500+ of their firearms were listed as banned because of the same bill C-71 ? Not likely.
The gub'ment can do as they please PERIOD !! The onus is on YOU to be informed and to stay on top of the changes ! Ignorance of the law is no excuse. (( think I may have heard that some place before ))
Exactly
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Not if you're in a road block-check stop and someone asks or looks.
That info was passed out so that the average restricted / prohib gun owning law abiding citizen could be updated, kept in the loop and perhaps spared any problems in the future. Any excuse or loophole for them to extract a few more LEGAL firearms out of properly authorized owners is fine with them !
**Did any of the licensed holders get their personal notifications when the 1500+ of their firearms were listed as banned because of the same bill C-71 ? Not likely.
The gub'ment can do as they please PERIOD !! The onus is on YOU to be informed and to stay on top of the changes ! Ignorance of the law is no excuse. (( think I may have heard that some place before ))
Yes they can do what they pass in legislation but they have to advise people ( individuals) that their current license has been revoked or altered and give reasonable notice. No different then your drivers license can’t just pass legislation and cancel everyone’s drivers license.
I know you posted it as a heads up and we all thank you for it so keep your drawers on.
If I go through a roadblock with a handgun tomorrow and have my current ATT they aren’t going to arrest me or take my firearms. There is always a grace period.
ps - THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP
 

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Yes they can do what they pass in legislation but they have to advise people ( individuals) that their current license has been revoked or altered and give reasonable notice. No different then your drivers license can’t just pass legislation and cancel everyone’s drivers license.
I know you posted it as a heads up and we all thank you for it so keep your drawers on.
If I go through a roadblock with a handgun tomorrow and have my current ATT they aren’t going to arrest me or take my firearms. There is always a grace period.
ps - THANKS FOR THE HEADS UP
Sorry 3D WRONG and no grace period in place as of July 7th. Been out there for 2 years
Consider this your notice
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Ok now I understand there was a grace period which ended July 17.
Sorry Kevin!!!
 

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My old man used to say..." If you throw chit at a blanket, sooner or later, some of it's bound to stick " !!

I'm amazed how often that applies in every day life
 

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These changes were emailed to me ( and probably all restricted license holders) today and the RCMP will also send mail outs to license holders in the near future to ensure all are notified this is a legal requirement which SHOULD HAVE happened BEFORE the deadline but better late then never I guess.
 

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Interesting. I have a restricted PAL but haven't received an email. Maybe because I don't currently own a handgun. Time will tell I guess.
 

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These changes were emailed to me ( and probably all restricted license holders) today and the RCMP will also send mail outs to license holders in the near future to ensure all are notified this is a legal requirement which SHOULD HAVE happened BEFORE the deadline but better late then never I guess.
Well the truth be known. It was decided after the fact that they MUST send out a letter / e-mail ONLY because so many gun owners didnot have a clue that c-71 even existed and were getting in poop
And you wonder why we are in the shape we are in. Gun owners cannot even take the time to keep up on how they are being screwed by these bills and then freak when the light finally goes on but too late then
Too many guys like this and WRONG , yes they can and they did 2 years ago with c-71
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They can't just change your ATT whenever they feel like it. They have to revoke your existing ATT and issue you a new one (or cancel it altogether) and give you an opportunity to challenge the revocation. I would think you rexisting ATT is still good until license renewal time.

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The decision to advise individual license holders was made because their legal department told those in that specific dept of RCMP that they have a legal obligation to do so. The average persons in this country are not responsible to read and review every bill passed into legislation The news did not go into full details of the gun bill; nor do they for any bill passed by parliament or provincial legislatures The onus lays fully on the governments to ensure the Canadian public is aware of any changes to current laws and or new laws. Any licenses issued by the federal gov or provincial must be honoured until such time as those effected by any changes to said license are notified and given a reasonable time allotment to prepare for such changes. In Canada this is the law!
JUST AS THE RCMP WERE ADVISED BY THEIR LEGAL COUNCIL AFTER NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS BY CITIZENS EFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE
 

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The decision to advise individual license holders was made because their legal department told those in that specific dept of RCMP that they have a legal obligation to do so. The average persons in this country are not responsible to read and review every bill passed into legislation The news did not go into full details of the gun bill; nor do they for any bill passed by parliament or provincial legislatures The onus lays fully on the governments to ensure the Canadian public is aware of any changes to current laws and or new laws. Any licenses issued by the federal gov or provincial must be honoured until such time as those effected by any changes to said license are notified and given a reasonable time allotment to prepare for such changes. In Canada this is the law!
JUST AS THE RCMP WERE ADVISED BY THEIR LEGAL COUNCIL AFTER NUMEROUS COMPLAINTS BY CITIZENS EFFECTED BY THIS CHANGE
And where did you get that misinformation. Please share.
Complaints were back in 2018 when this started and gun owners tried to change it not now after it was passed and law with a very clear timeline. July 7th 2021 in place pretty clear
Maybe law with other types of license but not this one You are so wrong here on this subject it is hard to even even grasp what you are saying and sadly you believe it to be true. There was no honored of the old license with this change. A date was given and that was it
This notification happened well over 2 years ago with bill c-71 and it is not up to the news or rcmp to tell you. Active gun owners that care about what is going on KNEW not to mention anyone that supported a gun org was bombarded with info on c-71
Another reason we are in the mess we are in no one cares or will put up any cash and join gun orgs since they think this stuff will never effect them and someone else can fight and spend their cash or as a nutz member said and I agree and quote

The change in ATT isn't new news, it's old news, as it has been in the works for a long time.
We all knew that this planned change was coming, and those that didn't know just don't pay enough attention to the changes in our gun laws, which is quite frankly pretty scary to me, to not be aware of such things.

Over two years ago CSSA members knew as one example
 

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Interesting. I have a restricted PAL but haven't received an email. Maybe because I don't currently own a handgun. Time will tell I guess.
Maybe they don’t have your current email address
 

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In the end it matters not which one of us is right
What matters is if you had transported a handgun after july 7th and caught you would have been toast
There is no grace period especially dealing with rcmp and handguns
To keep you in the loop here is the next one going to hurt us :(



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Actually people who were caught transporting restricted to the now other places had their cases thrown out because our government and authorities did not do their due diligence
 

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Maybe they don’t have your current email address
Normally they don't see these as part of the group they are targeting but time will tell. No need of a ATT or be formally made aware of the changes if you have no gun
In fact there was talk two years ago about taking back Rpals if the owner didnot own handguns any more . Would not be shocked if they try that again
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