Climate change math

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TrueGrit

Discussion Starter · 24 d ago (Edited)

A teen, not mine, presented this question to me regarding a project that he is doing on Climate Change.
Give it a read and let your fingers do the googling to verify the numbers.
I also have screenshots of his sources as well, though for privacy reasons, I refrained from posting them.
Very interested to hear your feedback.
Note: The 542.6 million tonnes is from all fossil fuels combustion and industrial processes.
Figured I would clarify, as I would not want to misquote this young fella.

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TrueGrit

Discussion Starter · #41 · 23 d ago

You don't get it if it is written clearly, see post #31.
Now, go get after those donuts!

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3macs1

· #42 · 23 d ago (Edited)

TrueGrit said:
You don't get it if it is written clearly, see post #31.
Now, go get after those donuts!

Clear as mud .You are asking for a number that is not known since they only track GHG gases produced by human activities and forest fires etc are NOT in those numbers and are also big contributors
This is your most current and most detailed information out there right now back to the donuts dinner break is short and over But this is government funded so will be wrong also even though they are the only ones spending serious money on this subject and tracking data Even has the cow poop if one clicks on the tabs

Greenhouse gas emissions - Canada.ca

Climate change is one of the most important environmental issues of our time. Climate change is caused by the increase in concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. These increases are primarily due to human activities such as the use of fossil fuels or agriculture. The indicators...

www.canada.ca

Tripple D

· #43 · 23 d ago

3macs1 said:
Guess that was to be a funny was it Wife's grand dad lived there until he passed and we went down many times Beautiful place in fact brought two old cars back from there and I would love to own property there Guess you have similar experiences there If you did you would know this and yep toured it twice we did Incredible place especially the ocean

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Arizona is awesome. Spent most of our time up in Sadona perfect weather and great golf! Didn’t see their rain forest tho

Tripple D

· #44 · 23 d ago

greybeard said:
I own a whole bunch of trees, where do I go to get my tax rebate or credit??😀

You should get one or at least not have to pay the carbon tax
Call Trudy and ask- lol
But good thinking ( dreaming)

Tripple D

· #45 · 23 d ago

3macs1 said:
Did you not see the two laughing faces and is it not the truth Oh I guess that should impress me we have three of those useless GG awards one brother one sister and and guess who and my sister has two degrees and her masters but cannot tie her shoes or understand underarm is important and it is nice for woman to shave their legs and arm pits and I sure would not ask her about climate change But if you have all of that brilliance at your finger tips why even ask us old fools and for god sake talk to the kid first to see what the true scope of this project is and what he is trying to achieve Why did I bother trying to help the kid NOT you
Cheers

I never went to university but I’m smarter then all you put together, well maybe not everyone just most.
But hey joe I really believe your smarter then most 5th graders!

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Tripple D

· #46 · 23 d ago

Tyson10gauge said:
Maybe , send him a care pkg of Hooked on Phonics 😎

????? WTF did you learn nothing from that, just sound it out it’s easy-
Ummmm HOOKTT ON FONICKs

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3macs1

· #47 · 23 d ago (Edited)

Tripple D said:
Arizona is awesome. Spent most of our time up in Sadona perfect weather and great golf! Didn’t see their rain forest tho

Sure is Could not believe how all my joint pains just vanished from the weather
The wife's grandfather lost his first wife here and met his second on a golf course there and the rest is history
It was funny when he found out her dad owned the course

and my wife could not understand why he left the cape and moved there with her
HELLO

3macs1

· #48 · 23 d ago (Edited)

Tripple D said:
I never went to university but I’m smarter then all you put together, well maybe not everyone just most.
But hey joe I really believe your smarter then most 5th graders!

Thanks Buddy

. My grandmother always said university doesn't make one smart and she was right
I look back and the ones I went to school with that left school before grade 12 to work and yes it is different today but most of them own their own companies and want for nothing
She also said success in life is directly proportional to the work and effort one makes and they and I have lived by that one and no complaints
My aunt PIA big time teacher always looked down her nose at me since I never finished my engineering degree ( short 6 courses) like my brothers and sister and just a lowly millwright and mechanical technologist
Yep until one day I heard enough at a family gathering and tossed my pay stub at her from the mines and said you ever make that in a week with all your university and degree
Never another word to me was said I hate people that look down their nose at others just because they don't have a degree Sure hurt Buckmarks friend Bill gates
take care

3macs1

· #49 · 23 d ago

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TrueGrit

Discussion Starter · #50 · 23 d ago

The dinosaurs could have been saved had they paid a carbon tax.

Statik

· #51 · 23 d ago

A carbon tax does not reduce pollution by spending the money on pollution reduction technology. A carbon tax is a penalty on fuel and other carbon rich things so that people reduce his much they use it. A carbon tax on fuel is supposed to make people drive less because they can't afford it.
This might work in places where people have other options but Nova Scotia does not have the low carbon infrastructure to support other transportation options, nor does it have the residential infrastructure to move everyone into a 15 minute city. So, Trudeau gets his higher income and the rest of us try to figure out how to get to work tomorrow while keeping food in the cupboard.

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TonyM

· #52 · 23 d ago

Just reading about all this.
According to one article our forests have actually been a source of carbon in some years lately because of forest fires, harvesting, etcetera rather than absorbing Co2.
One article said that methane (25 times) and especially nitrous oxide (250 or so times) are worse than Co2. Both are related to raising animals for food and use of fertilizers in farming.
Everything I read appears to indicate than while all these gases occur naturally in the atmosphere, there is far more now and is correlated with the growth of the world population.

Statik

· #53 · 23 d ago

What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?

3macs1

· #54 · 22 d ago (Edited)

TonyM said:
Just reading about all this.
According to one article our forests have actually been a source of carbon in some years lately because of forest fires, harvesting, etcetera rather than absorbing Co2.
One article said that methane (25 times) and especially nitrous oxide (250 or so times) are worse than Co2. Both are related to raising animals for food and use of fertilizers in farming.
Everything I read appears to indicate than while all these gases occur naturally in the atmosphere, there is far more now and is correlated with the growth of the world population.

And there is the key my friend you read what is out there and accept the truth . The earth was created to be sulf sustaining it was man and what we have done that placed it in the state it is in and only man can smarten up and try to at least stop the damage before it is too late
Cheers

3macs1

· #55 · 22 d ago (Edited)

Statik said:
What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?

Can guess where you are going with this but being an engineer you should know the impact small percentages of change make substancial impacts in some things

news.climate.columbia.edu

You Asked: If CO2 Is Only 0.04% of the Atmosphere, How Does it Drive Global Warming?

Short answer: A little bit goes a long way.

news.climate.columbia.edu

3macs1

· #56 · 22 d ago (Edited)

Statik said:
A carbon tax does not reduce pollution by spending the money on pollution reduction technology. A carbon tax is a penalty on fuel and other carbon rich things so that people reduce his much they use it. A carbon tax on fuel is supposed to make people drive less because they can't afford it.
This might work in places where people have other options but Nova Scotia does not have the low carbon infrastructure to support other transportation options, nor does it have the residential infrastructure to move everyone into a 15 minute city. So, Trudeau gets his higher income and the rest of us try to figure out how to get to work tomorrow while keeping food in the cupboard.

Well Nova Scotia best get with the program since this is coming and quickly and what is new here we have always been the dogs tail on everything and 25 years behind

3macs1

· #57 · 22 d ago

TrueGrit said:
The dinosaurs could have been saved had they paid a carbon tax.

Have no fear the remaining dinosaurs here will pay enough to make up for it

Buckmark

· #58 · 22 d ago

3macs1 said:
And there is the key my friend you read what is out there. The earth was created to be sulf sustaining it was man and what we have done that placed it in the state it is in and only man can smarten up and try to at least stop the damage before it is too late
Cheers

Paying a carbon tax will not reverse climate change. It's happening and we cannot change it. It's all about the money. The earth was warmer 800 years ago, than it is now. Why ????? Maybe it was all the cow burps ?? Maybe it was all the coal being used to heat their homes ?? Maybe it was the billions of cars driving around the country side ??? Maybe it was all the diesel powered ships ???? ... or maybe it was the natural progression of the earth and its rotation on its axis ???? Al Gores "global warming" was debunked. That's why they changed the name to "climate change" and brought on a whiny little school girl as their spokesperson. Sorry ... but I don't buy into the government BS. If they were so concerned about it, thousands of people would not fly to these climate summits. Trudeau is one of the worst. He's constantly flying somewhere. After watching the video of him leaving the Michelin plant in Bridgewater, there was about 30 vehicles in his Convoy. He's really concerned about the climate now, isn't he ????

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3macs1

· #59 · 22 d ago (Edited)

Buckmark said:
Paying a carbon tax will not reverse climate change. It's happening and we cannot change it. It's all about the money. The earth was warmer 800 years ago, than it is now. Why ????? Maybe it was all the cow burps ?? Maybe it was all the coal being used to heat their homes ?? Maybe it was the billions of cars driving around the country side ??? Maybe it was all the diesel powered ships ???? ... or maybe it was the natural progression of the earth and its rotation on its axis ???? Al Gores "global warming" was debunked. That's why they changed the name to "climate change" and brought on a whiny little school girl as their spokesperson. Sorry ... but I don't buy into the government BS. If they were so concerned about it, thousands of people would not fly to these climate summits. Trudeau is one of the worst. He's constantly flying somewhere. After watching the video of him leaving the Michelin plant in Bridgewater, there was about 30 vehicles in his Convoy. He's really concerned about the climate now, isn't he ????

Maybe that is how GOD planned it

YOU believe NOTHING from goverment but I bet you will take their cheques some day if not already
Not my words but agree 100% can we reverse it no IMO but we can sure stop it or slow it down where it is
It is a mistake to believe that we are not paying for emitting greenhouse gases. Even if we do not pay a monetary price for carbon emissions we do pay a very large price, the consequences of climate change.

Without a monetary carbon price it is those who have the smallest emissions that suffer the largest costs from climate change. A carbon price, in contrast, means that those who cause the emissions also pay for them.

A key reason why voters are not in favour of carbon pricing is that many believe it won’t actually reduce emissions, but empirical research and theory show that this is wrong: pricing carbon emissions – either via a carbon tax or a ‘cap and trade’-system – is effective. It shifts production and consumption from carbon-intensive goods and services to low-carbon alternatives and does reduce emissions.

Many are deeply concerned about climate change yet feel hopeless that anything can be done to meet this challenge. Increasing the understanding that carbon pricing works, correcting common misconceptions, and showing that there is a way forward are key steps for a successful fight against climate change.

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3macs1

· #60 · 22 d ago (Edited)

Buckmark said:
Paying a carbon tax will not reverse climate change. It's happening and we cannot change it. It's all about the money. The earth was warmer 800 years ago, than it is now. Why ????? Maybe it was all the cow burps ?? Maybe it was all the coal being used to heat their homes ?? Maybe it was the billions of cars driving around the country side ??? Maybe it was all the diesel powered ships ???? ... or maybe it was the natural progression of the earth and its rotation on its axis ???? Al Gores "global warming" was debunked. That's why they changed the name to "climate change" and brought on a whiny little school girl as their spokesperson. Sorry ... but I don't buy into the government BS. If they were so concerned about it, thousands of people would not fly to these climate summits. Trudeau is one of the worst. He's constantly flying somewhere. After watching the video of him leaving the Michelin plant in Bridgewater, there was about 30 vehicles in his Convoy. He's really concerned about the climate now, isn't he ????

This is also nothing new and over 40 countries have implemented it now with britian having the most history so believe what ever you like and once again not just a justin thing and time for canada to wake up and get with the program

In Britain, the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution, greenhouse gas emissions have fallen to their lowest level since 1890. One key factor: A carbon tax that has prompted electric utilities to switch away from coal.
Technically, Britain is covered by the European Union’s broader cap-and-trade system, which sets an overall ceiling on emissions from key industries and allows companies to buy and sell carbon permits. But, because of a glut of permits on the market, carbon prices in Europe remained low for years and the program has had a relatively muted effect on emissions.
So, in 2013, Parliament enacted a carbon price floor under the system for certain sectors, including electricity, a policy that essentially functions as a carbon tax of around $25 per ton. That tax has encouraged electric utilities to rapidly switch from coal to somewhat cleaner natural gas. This is perhaps the clearest example in the world of a carbon tax leading to a significant cut in emissions.

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