[Buckmark]

What is the word on the street about the slimy Liberals bringing back the gun registry on firearm transactions ??? This is supposed to be coming into effect on May 18th. Trudeau hates the fact that he has no idea who has firearms and who doesn’t. Every transaction requires a transfer authorization number from the OIC. You must summit information to them before you are allowed to sell. How will they ever police this ??? I can see businesses having to do it, but can’t see this flying for private sales.

 

[beaverhunter]

 

[TonyM]

This is the first I've heard of this. Though sadly it does not surprise me. I have no idea how to get the message out to average people that all the measures the Liberals have taken over these last few years do absolutely nothing to protect anyone in Canada. Its all bullshit designed to make non-gun owners think they are doing something.

The regulations in place before 2020 were more than adequate with the exception of needing more enforcement and maybe even harsher penalties for gun trafficking.

 

[Thunderstick]

Yes I have been made aware that this takes place on the 18th of May. It just does not stop. The RCMP cannot even process PALS on time, and now they will have all this to contend with. God I am tired of this.

 

[Tyson10gauge]

Tired of this is right , He will stop at nothing to disarm Law abidding Canadian s while he himself is the most corrupt Leader Canada has ever seen or had , Corruption and Criminality cannot stand to have it's citizen s be able to stand up to it

 

[3macs1]

Nothing new guys. was outlined as part of bill c-71 in 2018 and we knew it was coming before 2018 that was the time to jump up and down prior to approval of the bill not now
It is not the old gun registry back. just another section of c-71 coming in to play

Legislative Summary of Bill C-71

lop.parl.ca

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• Bill C-71 makes it a crime to buy, sell or give away any gun without a special authorization and reference number from the RCMP Registrar of Firearms for each potential or actual transaction.
• This will now apply to transfers of so-called “Non-restricted” rifles and shotguns. It already applies to transfers of “Restricted” firearms.
• If a parent with PAL gives a shotgun or rifle to a spouse, friend or adult child with a PAL without special permission from the RCMP, the giver and receiver are guilty of a crime under Bill C-71.
• Canadian PAL holders buy and sell (or give and receive) an estimated 3,000 new and used guns each day. Almost all of them are “Non-restricted.” Since each transfer involves two people, roughly 6,000 PAL holders will be directly affected by Bill C-71 every day, seven days a week.

 

[Buckmark]

How will this be policed ??? If I advertise a gun for sale ... and someone comes to the house to buy it ... not one government official or the RCMP will know about the transaction. What are the Libtards trying to accomplish ?? They can't stop the illegal guns from entering Canada, so they continue to attack and harass the law abiding citizens. How much extra money will this cost the taxpayers ???? Trudeau won't be happy until he disarms every Canadian. Can't fight the government with hockey sticks ...

 

[caperaway]

Each transfer requires a reference number so they can track guns that were used in a crime. The law doesn't require the seller or buyer to give any info about the gun to the firearms center though. You can bet they will ask for it but the law doesn't say you have to give it. So the reference number is meaningless if they don't know what you sold or bought. I'm betting there will be a few court challenges for the firearms center refusing to issue a transfer reference without the firearm info.

 

[3macs1]

Each transfer requires a reference number so they can track guns that were used in a crime. The law doesn't require the seller or buyer to give any info about the gun to the firearms center though. You can bet they will ask for it but the law doesn't say you have to give it. So the reference number is meaningless if they don't know what you sold or bought. I'm betting there will be a few court challenges for the firearms center refusing to issue a transfer reference without the firearm info.

Far from meaningless
You buy a gun new or used from a shop / business for a while now most have never stopped EVER keeping full records other than the transfer number new part now to be added so now they will get back to 100% of the sales vs what ever today's number is. We had log books for sales in the 60's in the old mans shop

• record and retain for a minimum period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non‑restricted firearm, or for a longer period that may be prescribed, the following information:
  • the reference number issued by the Registrar and the day it was issued, and
  • the transferee’s licence number and the firearm’s make, model, type and serial number; and

It is attached to you doesn't matter what it is and your Pal is attached to it and if one thinks they don't still have the old data from the gun registry with you attached to the firearms that you registered at that time best feel your head
You sell any of theses with no reference number and it is later used in a crime and it is YOU they will be asking questions to about selling a gun illegally and you will be charged and lose your pal ( not just me saying it either ) and like they care about court challenges.
How many have firearm owners ever won ?? we are doing great with all the ones in court for the ban NOT
Cheers

 

[3macs1]

Thank you c-71. The problem gun owners have today and never have we had more information available to us is we don't read any of these bills before it is way too late
On the way so might as well accept it since we have done nothing to stop it when it first came to light maybe 5 years ago too late to get upset now

Orders In Council - Search

Orders In Council - Search

orders-in-council.canada.ca

 

[3macs1]

How will this be policed ??? If I advertise a gun for sale ... and someone comes to the house to buy it ... not one government official or the RCMP will know about the transaction. What are the Libtards trying to accomplish ?? They can't stop the illegal guns from entering Canada, so they continue to attack and harass the law abiding citizens. How much extra money will this cost the taxpayers ???? Trudeau won't be happy until he disarms every Canadian. Can't fight the government with hockey sticks ...

They won't police it or have any intention to even try . But if your gun is sold and the guy goes and kills someone and unfortunately we cannot say that will ever happen it is you they will be coming to see about why you didnot follow the law and obtain a transfer approval for resale
Just talk so far but also it will take care of the flippers they say . After so many transfers a year you will have to be a registered firearm business unless getting rid of a one time collection. I think a lot of little details yet to be heard
Cheers

 

[Thunderstick]

Far from meaningless
You buy a gun new or used from a shop / business for a while now and it is attached to you doesn't matter what it is and your Pal is attached to it and if one thinks they don't still have the old data from the gun registry with you attached to the firearms that you registered at that time best feel your head
You sell any of theses with no reference number and it is later used in a crime and it is YOU they will be asking questions to about selling a gun illegally and you will be charged and lose your pal ( not just me saying it either ) and like they care about court challenges.
How many have firearm owners ever won ?? we are doing great with all the ones in court for the ban NOT
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When we had our discussions on Canada posts new rules people laughed when I said what the RCMP told me what was required each time a firearm got sold. A form had to be filled out at the RCMP, where they checked to see if it were stolen. That is still in place now. No one did it. Could be a blow for gun flippers.

 

[3macs1]

When we had our discussions on Canada posts new rules people laughed when I said what the RCMP told me what was required each time a firearm got sold. A form had to be filled out at the RCMP, where they checked to see if it were stolen. That is still in place now. No one did it. Could be a blow for gun flippers.

Huge blow for flippers they say. In the end nothing for you to worry about you have way more important things to take care of like YOU and I hope you are doing OK
Had a guy here yesterday telling me it will be one year in june he paid and ordered a new marlin lever and he hopes he will have it now for this fall
Take care

 

[caperaway]

Far from meaningless
You buy a gun new or used from a shop / business for a while now most have never stopped EVER keeping full records other than the transfer number new part now to be added so now they will get back to 100% of the sales vs what ever today's number is. We had log books for sales in the 60's in the old mans shop

• record and retain for a minimum period of 20 years from the day on which the business transfers a non‑restricted firearm, or for a longer period that may be prescribed, the following information:
  • the reference number issued by the Registrar and the day it was issued, and
  • the transferee’s licence number and the firearm’s make, model, type and serial number; and

It is attached to you doesn't matter what it is and your Pal is attached to it and if one thinks they don't still have the old data from the gun registry with you attached to the firearms that you registered at that time best feel your head
You sell any of theses with no reference number and it is later used in a crime and it is YOU they will be asking questions to about selling a gun illegally and you will be charged and lose your pal ( not just me saying it either ) and like they care about court challenges.
How many have firearm owners ever won ?? we are doing great with all the ones in court for the ban NOT
Cheers

The registry info is so out of date it is basically unusable. With so many years between the end of the registry and this new record keeping scheme there is no way for them to prove you didn't sell the gun during the years where no records were required. I've sold everything that was non restricted that was registered to me since the registry died.

Lots of gun owners have won challenges in court. Read through the legal sections on Gunnutz. It happens. One of the most famous is the gentleman in Ontario who challenged the Gun Club requirement for ATTs. Now you don't require a membership in Ontario.
A Club in NB just took the CFO to court for imposing restrictions on their range and won. There are legal recourses available when the Govt doesn't follow their rules.

 

[3macs1]

The registry info is so out of date it is basically unusable. With so many years between the end of the registry and this new record keeping scheme there is no way for them to prove you didn't sell the gun during the years where no records were required. I've sold everything that was non restricted that was registered to me since the registry died.

Lots of gun owners have won challenges in court. Read through the legal sections on Gunnutz. It happens. One of the most famous is the gentleman in Ontario who challenged the Gun Club requirement for ATTs. Now you don't require a membership in Ontario.
A Club in NB just took the CFO to court for imposing restrictions on their range and won. There are legal recourses available when the Govt doesn't follow their rules.

If so unable why do they still keep the data and use the old data not to mention very up todate when dealing in quebec still
Yep many of us still have 75% of what we had then and registered so very usable in those cases now moving forward.
Yes tons of cases won I read them all talked about on on nutz as you know
What I know is 99% of gun owners follow ALL the requirements if we like them or not and will do as we have to after may 18th to sell a firearm and get a approved transfer number
Take care

 

[beaverhunter]

If so unable why do they still keep the data and use the old data not to mention very up todate when dealing in quebec still
Yep many of us still have 75% of what we had then and registered so very usable in those cases now moving forward.
Yes tons of cases won I read them all talked about on on nutz as you know
What I know is 99% of gun owners follow ALL the requirements if we like them or not and will do as we have to after may 18th to sell a firearm and get a approved transfer number
Take care

I am going to throw this out there.

If you watch the Mass Casualty Commission hearings and reports on all the firearms involved in that situation, even the ones that Wortman didn't steal, ones found at various properties etc. they were unable to trace anything, the best they could do was this gun was manufactured in 19xx. I was really surprised myself. They even mentioned LGR data being destroyed and unable to track anything. I get where you are coming from Joe. I also think the MCC is BS too.

 

[3macs1]

I am going to throw this out there.

If you watch the Mass Casualty Commission hearings and reports on all the firearms involved in that situation, even the ones that Wortman didn't steal, ones found at various properties etc. they were unable to trace anything, the best they could do was this gun was manufactured in 19xx. I was really surprised myself. They even mentioned LGR data being destroyed and unable to track anything. I get where you are coming from Joe. I also think the MCC is BS too.

They are not telling the truth which is normal and that was 2021 below
Read this

LILLEY: Evidence shows Mounties kept a copy of the gun registry

The long-gun registry was brought into being in 1995 with Bill C-68 but was done away with after the passage of Bill C-19 in 2012.

torontosun.com

 

[TonyM]

I'll jump in here, as usual.

I have no doubt that the RCMP kept a copy of the last version of the long gun registry. I certainly would have if I were in charge there. Not something they can rely on now of course but still better than nothing in their eyes I'm sure.

I totally agree that most if not all of the information coming out the guns Wortman had is being sanitized before given to the commission. The RCMP do not want anyone outside their organization to know exactly how much data they actually have access to. After all, if you're spying on someone are you really going to tell them? Plus, it is entirely possible they actually cannot get any details on the guns Wortman smuggled into the country since the US does not have as much information on guns and gun owners as Canada does. Either way, the whole commission thing is bullshit! The RCMP shit the bed big time!!! Plain and simple, but they don't have the guts to admit it and the commission doesn't have the guts to call them on it!!! Sad but true! The more I hear about the whole mess the more it just P_sses me off! Virtually ever single person killed on the Sunday could have been saved if the RCMP had done their jobs right, notified the public by every means possible and set up a s_it load of road blocks!

As far as selling a gun after May 18th goes, I would not take a chance that whoever you sell so is ballsy enough to lie and say the deal happened before May 18th if ever questioned by the cops. Its a bit like the old saying about the only way to keep a secret is to never tell ANYONE. What if he/she shows off their new gun to someone with a long memory and a grudge. Then its not just the two people in the deal that know the law was broken. My advice, don't risk your ability to own firearms by taking the risk! Simply not worth it!

 

[Buckmark]

Does anyone know the process involved after the 18th to sell a firearm ??? I’m talking “shipping”. Face to face sales … not really too concerned about.

 

[3macs1]

Does anyone know the process involved after the 18th to sell a firearm ??? I’m talking “shipping”. Face to face sales … not really too concerned about.

Clearly out lined in the link above. face to face or shipped makes no difference. Read post 6

Legislative Summary of Bill C-71

lop.parl.ca