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The Cape Breton Moose Survey Results are In!! Please take a look at our summary for more information.
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I heard this years draw is "bull only". I'm assuming all zones ??? There will soon be just cows running around and getting bred back to their offspring. Best bet ... shut it down completely to EVERYONE for 3-5 years, and let the numbers build back up again. The culls did nothing but hurt the numbers. As long as their precious plants were saved ... that's all that matters I guess.
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I heard this years draw is "bull only". I'm assuming all zones ??? There will soon be just cows running around and getting bred back to their offspring. Best bet ... shut it down completely to EVERYONE for 3-5 years, and let the numbers build back up again. The culls did nothing but hurt the numbers. As long as their precious plants were saved ... that's all that matters I guess.
Says that in the document tim posted so 100%
They gotta open the gate in the “Park” and let some of those moose out. Zone 4 could use more moose. I wonder if they could tranquilize some of the “Park” moose and move them into zone 4?
Says that in the document tim posted so 100%
If people thought it was hard hunting with low numbers, bulls only will sure be a kick in the rump.
If people thought it was hard hunting with low numbers, bulls only will sure be a kick in the rump.
Yep for sure but expected they could not manage a rabbit farm properly here .They way it is going in our life time the hunt will have to be stopped and soon
Yep for sure but expected they could not manage a rabbit farm properly here .They way it is going in our life time the hunt will have to be stopped and soon
Regardless of what people say about the numbers, if there was only two moose left the same would be applying to help make them extinct. People are in the highlands all year scouting putting up blinds. Can no longer just blame the natives on why the numbers are low. They do not stand a chance. The moose season is the only hunting season I know that all the rules, hunting ethics etc are out the window. It's a moose at all costs.
They gotta open the gate in the “Park” and let some of those moose out. Zone 4 could use more moose. I wonder if they could tranquilize some of the “Park” moose and move them into zone 4?
The moose do leave the park. Big barren up by the park border. Always natives set up there
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Regardless of what people say about the numbers, if there was only two moose left the same would be applying to help make them extinct. People are in the highlands all year scouting putting up blinds. Can no longer just blame the natives on why the numbers are low. They do not stand a chance. The moose season is the only hunting season I know that all the rules, hunting ethics etc are out the window. It's a moose at all costs.
You're not wrong there!!
I can't see how we can stop hunters scouting and putting up blinds in the pre-season. But, while I cannot say for sure, like you I believe that A LOT of laws are broken and ethics take a chit kicking every fall during the moise hunt.
IMO, the hunt needs FAR more enforcement boots on the ground, much shorter season, less aboriginal harvesting, much steeper fines and license suspensions for all infractions and changes to the draw restrictions for hunters that have drawn licenses in the past.
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The moose do leave the park. Big barren up by the park border. Always natives set up there
Maybe there needs to be a no-hunt buffer zone created around the borders of the park?
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Yup Bull only. Confirmed in this press release.


Some pretty poor stats from the 2022 hunt too. Only 194 taken out of the 345 tags given to the settlers/occupiers.
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Bull only was long over due , IMHO it should have been rotated 2 outta the 5 zones for everyone . As for enforcement , not going get into what my thoughts are there as I know a few C.O s, and what I hear from the other side of things or what takes place at the Highlands Rd entery way . With both natives and non natives , and yes I have been up there over the yrs and not typing away from a arm chair , I've seen heard and watched , even reported some of the B.S the moose hunt brings out in all people alike . Very simple that hunt brought out greed in so many and should never been developed from the original 1 Shooter 1 Companion / 200 tags . It was more civil and it was more policed and enforced by both DNR & RCMP back then , no fekking around in those days .

So many are shot every yr by locals alone , even back then , there was time I could go to any one of those northern communities and be offered Moose meat , go moose hunting in their back yard . The numbers were bound to come to a crash sooner or later . Just took 30 + yrs to do it
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Bull only was long over due , IMHO it should have been rotated 2 outta the 5 zones for everyone . As for enforcement , not going get into what my thoughts are there as I know a few C.O s, and what I hear from the other side of things or what takes place at the Highlands Rd entery way . With both natives and non natives , and yes I have been up there over the yrs and not typing away from a arm chair , I've seen heard and watched , even reported some of the B.S the moose hunt brings out in all people alike . Very simple that hunt brought out greed in so many and should never been developed from the original 1 Shooter 1 Companion / 200 tags . It was more civil and it was more policed and enforced by both DNR & RCMP back then , no fekking around in those days .

So many are shot every yr by locals alone , even back then , there was time I could go to any one of those northern communities and be offered Moose meat , go moose hunting in their back yard . The numbers were bound to come to a crash sooner or later . Just took 30 + yrs to do it
Bucks only has done nothing for the deer herd improving?
Bucks only has done nothing for the deer herd improving?
There was always a lot less moose in the Highlands than Deer in Cape Breton at least the deer heard rebounded somewhat on the Cape , Better than it was when ut crashed and many a guy went without one down here .

Moose were mismanaged from Day 1 , figured they learn their lesson from the deer , but nope greed on Governments part for licences played big part too on the decline , everyone involved is to blame , not just one party .
Despite all the items discussed and are all indeed factors BUT all have been going on since day ONE yet the moose despite all of this have continued to grow the herd numbers but got to a point there was not enough food to keep that size herd going That they could not overcome
Anyone up there in the last 5/10 years can clearly see the damage they have done in some areas trying to stay alive in the harsh winters The cull was a very poor decision since nature was taking care of itself but at it's own pace not accelerated like now Remember the culls have been going on since 2015 also Parks canada saying there is no lack of food is pure BS food sources also impacts calving rates BIG time If there was lots of food why the cull ???
The amount of forest needed to keep this size herd was just NOT there so now we are where we are at
My 2 cents on it right or wrong Maybe David will chime in since no one here has the experience he has on this subject or spent more time in the highlands
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Despite all the items discussed and are all indeed factors BUT all have been going on since day ONE yet the moose despite all of this have continued to grow the herd numbers but got to a point there was not enough food to keep that size herd going That they could not overcome
Anyone up there in the last 5/10 years can clearly see the damage they have done in some areas trying to stay alive in the harsh winters The cull was a very poor decision since nature was taking care of itself but at it's own pace not accelerated like now Remember the culls have been going on since 2015 also Parks canada saying there is no lack of food is pure BS food sources also impacts calving rates BIG time If there was lots of food why the cull ???
The amount of forest needed to keep this size herd was just NOT there so now we are where we are at
My 2 cents on it right or wrong Maybe David will chime in since no one here has the experience he has on this subject or spent more time in the highlands
Cheers
Early when the numbers were good many old farms (orchards, shrubs were eaten to what they could reach). Many believed at that time that it played a role in the drop in the deer numbers as there was nothing they could reach. As some areas appeared to be having deer come back lately it was a signal that the moose were decreasing in numbers.
Early when the numbers were good many old farms (orchards, shrubs were eaten to what they could reach). Many believed at that time that it played a role in the drop in the deer numbers as there was nothing they could reach. As some areas appeared to be having deer come back lately it was a signal that the moose were decreasing in numbers.
Agree . Wife has family up there and they are saying for the first time in their lives they are almost not scared driving in the nights since the moose numbers are so low and yes seeing deer again on their properties
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Like everything on the cape, boom and bust.
It was coming, the writing was there for all to see, if they took the time to look.
For the first time in 28years im not applying for a cb moose, it seems odd as it would be a once in a lifetime hunt but i wont live that long and should not pass up the invitation from my friend. Let someone else find the elusive cb moose.
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Like everything on the cape, boom and bust.
It was coming, the writing was there for all to see, if they took the time to look.
For the first time in 28years im not applying for a cb moose, it seems odd as it would be a once in a lifetime hunt but i wont live that long and should not pass up the invitation from my friend. Let someone else find the elusive cb moose.
Go to Quebec and hunt the Moose. It is beautiful country. I would absolutely take your friend up on their offer as a guide. An average size moose, cut and wrapped in waxed butcher paper will last in the freezer for two years. Two families will have no problem consuming that excellent table fare over that period of time. Start planning today my friend.
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Joe, The findings of the survey does not match what we are witnessing in our section of Zone 3 with one exception: the number of calves. I would be very interested in knowing the calf count in this recent aerial survey and how this compares to the norm.

In the Summer of 2012, we came across this freshly killed calf at the Raspberry Bog. It was still warm. I'm wondering if the coyotes are playing more of a role than we think.


Grass Natural material Groundcover Terrestrial plant Grassland


For the past several years we’ve had game cams at a number of our sites for several months in the Summer up to the hunting season. We’ve had hundreds of hits at our spots. And it’s not always the same ones. We know that there are at least 25 to 30 different moose coming to our sites. But one thing that we have noticed is the very low number of calves...??? Why aren’t they showing up on our game cams...??? And I’m not talking about just one year...consistently over the past 4 or 5 years...very very few calves..?? Lots of cows young and old..but very few calves..???

I don’t think the area that we hunt is typical of Zone 3. Some of our spots are in “Wilderness Areas” and these areas are surrounded by small sections that have been logged for the past decade or so. So there’s a wide variety of secondary growth around the untouched Wilderness Areas. That along with lots of small bogs and ponds in fairly remote woods is likely creating a ‘pocket’ where moose can thrive. Just guessing..??

I can confirm what some are saying about the deer coming back. In 1994 we actually encountered deer. And then they disappeared for over 20 years. For the past 2 or 3 years we see droppings and tracks right alongside the moose tracks. We’re pretty much centrally located in Hunters’ Mountain so for them to be there likely means that they are spread out in most of Hunters’ Mountain.
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