Moose survey results

David G said:

Joe, The findings of the survey does not match what we are witnessing in our section of Zone 3 with one exception: the number of calves. I would be very interested in knowing the calf count in this recent aerial survey and how this compares to the norm.

In the Summer of 2012, we came across this freshly killed calf at the Raspberry Bog. It was still warm. I'm wondering if the coyotes are playing more of a role than we think.

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For the past several years we’ve had game cams at a number of our sites for several months in the Summer up to the hunting season. We’ve had hundreds of hits at our spots. And it’s not always the same ones. We know that there are at least 25 to 30 different moose coming to our sites. But one thing that we have noticed is the very low number of calves...??? Why aren’t they showing up on our game cams...??? And I’m not talking about just one year...consistently over the past 4 or 5 years...very very few calves..?? Lots of cows young and old..but very few calves..???

I don’t think the area that we hunt is typical of Zone 3. Some of our spots are in “Wilderness Areas” and these areas are surrounded by small sections that have been logged for the past decade or so. So there’s a wide variety of secondary growth around the untouched Wilderness Areas. That along with lots of small bogs and ponds in fairly remote woods is likely creating a ‘pocket’ where moose can thrive. Just guessing..??

I can confirm what some are saying about the deer coming back. In 1994 we actually encountered deer. And then they disappeared for over 20 years. For the past 2 or 3 years we see droppings and tracks right alongside the moose tracks. We’re pretty much centrally located in Hunters’ Mountain so for them to be there likely means that they are spread out in most of Hunters’ Mountain.

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Reliance on moose as prey led to rare coyote attack on human

Wildlife researchers have completed a study that may settle the question of why, in October 2009, a group of coyotes launched an unprovoked fatal attack on a young woman who was hiking in a Canadian park.

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David G said:

Joe, The findings of the survey does not match what we are witnessing in our section of Zone 3 with one exception: the number of calves. I would be very interested in knowing the calf count in this recent aerial survey and how this compares to the norm.

In the Summer of 2012, we came across this freshly killed calf at the Raspberry Bog. It was still warm. I'm wondering if the coyotes are playing more of a role than we think.

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For the past several years we’ve had game cams at a number of our sites for several months in the Summer up to the hunting season. We’ve had hundreds of hits at our spots. And it’s not always the same ones. We know that there are at least 25 to 30 different moose coming to our sites. But one thing that we have noticed is the very low number of calves...??? Why aren’t they showing up on our game cams...??? And I’m not talking about just one year...consistently over the past 4 or 5 years...very very few calves..?? Lots of cows young and old..but very few calves..???

I don’t think the area that we hunt is typical of Zone 3. Some of our spots are in “Wilderness Areas” and these areas are surrounded by small sections that have been logged for the past decade or so. So there’s a wide variety of secondary growth around the untouched Wilderness Areas. That along with lots of small bogs and ponds in fairly remote woods is likely creating a ‘pocket’ where moose can thrive. Just guessing..??

I can confirm what some are saying about the deer coming back. In 1994 we actually encountered deer. And then they disappeared for over 20 years. For the past 2 or 3 years we see droppings and tracks right alongside the moose tracks. We’re pretty much centrally located in Hunters’ Mountain so for them to be there likely means that they are spread out in most of Hunters’ Mountain.

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TonyM said:

Maybe there needs to be a no-hunt buffer zone created around the borders of the park?

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Tripple D said:

Unfortunately it would NOT apply to natives.
When you see a flatbed truck with 31 moose come off the mountain in June the biggest problem becomes obvious. Vechile was stopped by authorities moose were counted but nothing could be done due to native cards shown to authorities
Sure the locals in the area take some moose no where near to the same extent.

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Thunderstick said:

I also think its time to put people back on the gates up there. Not only are the moose leaving in truck loads but the fish also.

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Tyson10gauge said:

People are on the gates up there , Native are not required to stop in and check in under treaty rights they claim . Only non natives are required to check in

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Tripple D said:

Unfortunately it would NOT apply to natives.
When you see a flatbed truck with 31 moose come off the mountain in June the biggest problem becomes obvious. Vechile was stopped by authorities moose were counted but nothing could be done due to native cards shown to authorities
Sure the locals in the area take some moose no where near to the same extent.

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Thunderstick said:

Every one should be accountable. Not to set limits for natives but knowing there kill would indicate whether the herd could support another 300 plus licenses in a draw.

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3macs1 said:

Agree but they sure would not be killing 50 if the white man would not be buying it from them or using them to go hunting to get one when they cannot draw a tag
That is a huge part of it yet the same white man is complaining and blaming first nations
Huge fines and a few examples made public is needed This has to be reduced and ideally stopped Not a year goes by I am not offered moose meat or a full moose at peanuts IMO for meat and no dam way will I take even one steak regardless how much I like eating CB moose Real easy to obtain if one has first nations friends in the loop but have to admit not as many sources in the last 5 years since their harvest is way down also A friend who cuts them up for many first nations hunters says down about 75% in the last number of years which should be expected with the condition of the herd now
What really pisses me off is if a average joe knows what is taking place and where to source moose meat WTF is wrong with DNR other than won't touch it with a 10 foot pole so who is the biggest part of the problem. Christ some even list it on kijiji it is reported and what does the DNR do NOTHING.
Cheers

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Thunderstick said:

Its such a joke. A DNR and native community that calls for culls? Who are these smart people anyway who now say different? You do not have to look to far to find a native connection on many that go regularly. My buddy (or x buddy) will go as many times as he wants with his native wife, then preach to me about hunting regulations, gun laws etc. The management of the moose is as messed up as the Toronto Maple Leafs

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beaverhunter said:

So with a Bull only hunt and if they give out 345 tags expect a success rate of <50% just based on last years hunt.

345 tags in 2022 yielded 150 Bulls and 44 Cows for a total harvest of success of 57.9 % for the settlers/occupiers.

Assume the same numbers if you take the raw numbers you are going to get a 43% success rate for 2023. I would expect it to even be lower than that. Going to be a tough hunt for whoever gets drawn.

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Moose Magoo said:

So I gave up long ago being frustrated with how Nova Scotia and the Feds mis-manages the CB moose population. The left wing voices lead by the Feds have taken common sense out of the picture and opened up a culture of apologists.

Why are the natives given the “special or inherent rights” to the CB moose? Logical question I think? Those animals are not native to CB in fact were brought here from Alberta in 1947. Can they honestly say their ancestors hunted moose in CB? Didn’t happen. What if N.S. brought Alberta Elk , Mulies, or Antelope to CB? Non native species - would the natives be given “special inherited rights” for those animals?

Yes, they can make a claim to caribou but they were extirpated in the 1920’s. Will that be the fate of the CB moose?

So to try and get a handle on this now isn't going to happen. Will any govt at any level deal with making any changes to save the moose - common sense has taken a back seat to political correctness run amuck and it’s getting worse. Accountability and consequences for this slaughter isn't something I’ll see so my past frustration has unfortunately turned to reluctant acceptance.

And before anyone thinks to throw the “racist” term at me (an easy and cheap shot to do), I don’t care if you‘re white, black, yellow, red, pink and blue or a member of the “glug-a-mux group from Mars“, if logic and common sense regarding this hunt doesn’t happen then the CB moose will go the way of the Caribou. Natives and non- natives will kill this resource off without impunity.

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Moose Magoo said:

So I gave up long ago being frustrated with how Nova Scotia and the Feds mis-manages the CB moose population. The left wing voices lead by the Feds have taken common sense out of the picture and opened up a culture of apologists.

Why are the natives given the “special or inherent rights” to the CB moose? Logical question I think? Those animals are not native to CB in fact were brought here from Alberta in 1947. Can they honestly say their ancestors hunted moose in CB? Didn’t happen. What if N.S. brought Alberta Elk , Mulies, or Antelope to CB? Non native species - would the natives be given “special inherited rights” for those animals?

Yes, they can make a claim to caribou but they were extirpated in the 1920’s. Will that be the fate of the CB moose?

So to try and get a handle on this now isn't going to happen. Will any govt at any level deal with making any changes to save the moose - common sense has taken a back seat to political correctness run amuck and it’s getting worse. Accountability and consequences for this slaughter isn't something I’ll see so my past frustration has unfortunately turned to reluctant acceptance.

And before anyone thinks to throw the “racist” term at me (an easy and cheap shot to do), I don’t care if you‘re white, black, yellow, red, pink and blue or a member of the “glug-a-mux group from Mars“, if logic and common sense regarding this hunt doesn’t happen then the CB moose will go the way of the Caribou. Natives and non- natives will kill this resource off without impunity.

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3macs1 said:

Agree but they sure would not be killing 50 if the white man would not be buying it from them or using them to go hunting to get one when they cannot draw a tag
That is a huge part of it yet the same white man is complaining and blaming first nations
Huge fines and a few examples made public is needed This has to be reduced and ideally stopped Not a year goes by I am not offered moose meat or a full moose at peanuts IMO for meat and no dam way will I take even one steak regardless how much I like eating CB moose Real easy to obtain if one has first nations friends in the loop but have to admit not as many sources in the last 5 years since their harvest is way down also A friend who cuts them up for many first nations hunters says down about 75% in the last number of years which should be expected with the condition of the herd now
What really pisses me off is if a average joe knows what is taking place and where to source moose meat WTF is wrong with DNR other than won't touch it with a 10 foot pole so who is the biggest part of the problem. Christ some even list it on kijiji it is reported and what does the DNR do NOTHING.
Cheers

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