Stolen car leads to unsafe storage charges

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Wendell

Discussion Starter · 18 d ago

After an incident involving a stolen vehicle, Yellowknife RCMP have laid unsafe storage charges against a firearms owner.

Stolen car leads to firearms being recovered and a reminder about safe storage

May 17, 2023 - If you are a firearms owner, you may want to keep them locked away or safely stored. That reminder comes courtesy of Yellowknife RCMP in a press release issued on Tuesday afternoon and here’s why:...

www.nnsl.com

Police are reminding the public to ensure that firearms in vehicles be stored in a locked container when not in use. One example provided was a gun safe bolted to the vehicle floor or in the trunk. As well, it must be concealed from plain sight so it isn’t easily identifiable as a gun safe.

At home, police recommend keeping firearms in a locked cabinet or safe where easy access isn’t available. The released stated that storing firearms unloaded with trigger locks or cable locks to prevent accidental discharges are extra ways to ensure safety. The safe or cabinet should be bolted securely to prevent theft or tampering.

Stolen car leads to firearms being recovered and a reminder about safe storage

May 17, 2023 - If you are a firearms owner, you may want to keep them locked away or safely stored. That reminder comes courtesy of Yellowknife RCMP in a press release issued on Tuesday afternoon and here’s why:...

www.nnsl.com

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Moose Magoo

· #41 · 15 d ago

TonyM,
Years ago I was told that a Muzzleloader is considered unloaded if the primer is removed so that's what I did for years. As you say, its then just like a single shot really. Though I have no confidence all COs and cops would look at it that way! So now I pull the projectile before I get 100 feet from the road and fire the powder charge. Its a waste of several caps and charges each year but guarantees I'm within the law.

I know a thing or two about Muzzy's so I'm curious - how do you "pull the projectile" without removing the powder charge before firing (ie white hots, triple 7,or BH 209)?? Do you put the powder charge back in after removing the bullet??

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3macs1

· #42 · 15 d ago

I think these guys did a good job or explaining it and being federal law applys here also

In-line muzzleloader handling - Ontario OUT of DOORS

The safety and transport basics related to these black-powder guns.

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superslickie

· #43 · 15 d ago

The rules for transportation of a muzzle loader is simple , remove primer. So to blind A, to blind B, blind V, to home for the night.
Since you are no longer transporting the ML at home, it must be completely unloaded (powder and projectile). It is not a great idea to leave powder in the ML overnight, its corrosive for 1, as the cold gun going into a warm vehicle/camp sweats and can cause damp powder and misfires when the monster deer is in front of you. Damp powder is 10x more corrosive than dry and can pit your ML affecting value and accuracy.

To remove the projectile without removing the breech plug... Attach the bullet puller screw to ramrod, slide in barrel and "screw" into the projectile, pull bullet out. Proceed to dump powder then clean powder/barrel with hot soapy water, dry well!!

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Buckmark

· #44 · 15 d ago

3macs1 said:
OMG another thing you do illegally

Apparently so.... but according to the CO I talked to... as long as the primer is out, that's all he was concerned about. I'm sure it's like an RCMP officer .... the law states, the speed limit is 100.... but they wont bother you if you're doing 105. Im sure there are CO's that might have a problem with it, just like there are probably some RCMP officers that would stop you doing 105 in a 100 zone. Highly unlikely .... but possible.

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Moose Magoo

· #45 · 15 d ago

Quote : superslickie

To remove the projectile without removing the breech plug... Attach the bullet puller screw to ramrod, slide in barrel and "screw" into the projectile, pull bullet out. Proceed to dump powder then clean powder/barrel with hot soapy water, dry well!!
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Yes, you can remove the bullet by pulling back up the barrel with a puller screw - but why?

More opportunity for bullet/sabot damage as well as barrel rifling. Much easier to remove the plug and use your ram rod to push the bullet and charge out in the same direction they went in.

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superslickie

· #46 · 15 d ago

True indeed but back before you could remove the breech plug you had no choice
Todays muzzies are easy to remove breech plug and continue pushing

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TonyM

· #47 · 15 d ago

Moose Magoo said:
TonyM,
Years ago I was told that a Muzzleloader is considered unloaded if the primer is removed so that's what I did for years. As you say, its then just like a single shot really. Though I have no confidence all COs and cops would look at it that way! So now I pull the projectile before I get 100 feet from the road and fire the powder charge. Its a waste of several caps and charges each year but guarantees I'm within the law.

I know a thing or two about Muzzy's so I'm curious - how do you "pull the projectile" without removing the powder charge before firing (ie white hots, triple 7,or BH 209)?? Do you put the powder charge back in after removing the bullet??

I only shoot maxi ball or patched round ball and use loose black powder in my TC Hawken which has a fixed breech plug. Old school, not in-line.
The maxi ball can be removed quite easily using a ball puller on the end of the ramrod. Patched round ball would be harder to remove.
I don't try to salvage the powder charge after removing the projectile, I simply put the cap back on and fire the "blank" charge.
Basically all this does is save the projectile.
Hope this explains it clearly.

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3macs1

· #48 · 15 d ago

Buckmark said:
Apparently so.... but according to the CO I talked to... as long as the primer is out, that's all he was concerned about. I'm sure it's like an RCMP officer .... the law states, the speed limit is 100.... but they wont bother you if you're doing 105. Im sure there are CO's that might have a problem with it, just like there are probably some RCMP officers that would stop you doing 105 in a 100 zone. Highly unlikely .... but possible.

Yep cause jetro the co from Nova Scotia will save you if charged under the federal requirements which are very clear not to mention jetro is WRONG
Best of luck with that one

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Buckmark

· #49 · 15 d ago

3macs1 said:
Yep cause jetro the co from Nova Scotia will save you if charged under the federal requirements which are very clear not to mention jetro is WRONG
Best of luck with that one

Why do you ALWAYS need to be so negative ???? Jethro the CO ???? Really ??? It might surprise you ... but law enforcement can be very lenient. Unless you are doing something extremely wrong, they won't bother you. If I'm hunting at night, or shining a light across a field .... yeah, they frown upon that. If I get stopped and my muzzle loader is in the case with the primer removed, I don't think I have a whole lot to worry about... regardless what you, and the law states. The CO that I talked to, is known to be kind of a dick around these parts. He could care less if the powder and projectile were still in it. If my primer was still in ... then there may have been a problem. His focus was on the primer, and the primer only. I was walking out of the woods just at dusk. He, and a auxiliary, was waiting for me. He asked to see my license. He then asked me to open my gun. No primer ... no problem. He watched me put it in the case as we stood there chatting. It was dark. I wasn't going to a different hunting spot. I didn't take the powder or projectile out. Put it in the case and went home. End of story.

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3macs1

· #50 · 15 d ago (Edited)

Buckmark said:
Why do you ALWAYS need to be so negative ???? Jethro the CO ???? Really ??? It might surprise you ... but law enforcement can be very lenient. Unless you are doing something extremely wrong, they won't bother you. If I'm hunting at night, or shining a light across a field .... yeah, they frown upon that. If I get stopped and my muzzle loader is in the case with the primer removed, I don't think I have a whole lot to worry about... regardless what you, and the law states. The CO that I talked to, is known to be kind of a dick around these parts. He could care less if the powder and projectile were still in it. If my primer was still in ... then there may have been a problem. His focus was on the primer, and the primer only. I was walking out of the woods just at dusk. He, and a auxiliary, was waiting for me. He asked to see my license. He then asked me to open my gun. No primer ... no problem. He watched me put it in the case as we stood there chatting. It was dark. I wasn't going to a different hunting spot. I didn't take the powder or projectile out. Put it in the case and went home. End of story.

Has nothing to do with being negative or what I think I shared the legal requirements and could not careless if you follow them or not
For me live by the law to the best of my ability especially when firearms are involved follow their rules exactly based on what is written not what someone tells me or how any law enforcement tells me it is unless it agrees with the laws as written which i can read myself and understand fully
I may not like it or agree with it but I accept it and follow it I don't do things thinking well they will never catch me or show me one guy charged or firgure luck is on my side and getting away with it once doesn't mean you will have ther same end result the next time But hey like I said your choice and any CO that tells you it is OK is not doing his job and is jetro and you even admitted that with your comment about him Sure they can be lenient but they can also nail you to the cross pending who stops you or what mood they are in and I am not willing to roll that dice for something so simple to do
Cheers

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3macs1

· #51 · 15 d ago

Buckmark said:
Why do you ALWAYS need to be so negative ???? Jethro the CO ???? Really ??? It might surprise you ... but law enforcement can be very lenient. Unless you are doing something extremely wrong, they won't bother you. If I'm hunting at night, or shining a light across a field .... yeah, they frown upon that. If I get stopped and my muzzle loader is in the case with the primer removed, I don't think I have a whole lot to worry about... regardless what you, and the law states. The CO that I talked to, is known to be kind of a dick around these parts. He could care less if the powder and projectile were still in it. If my primer was still in ... then there may have been a problem. His focus was on the primer, and the primer only. I was walking out of the woods just at dusk. He, and a auxiliary, was waiting for me. He asked to see my license. He then asked me to open my gun. No primer ... no problem. He watched me put it in the case as we stood there chatting. It was dark. I wasn't going to a different hunting spot. I didn't take the powder or projectile out. Put it in the case and went home. End of story.

And before you bring up your usual speeding comparision I will give you my history on that. I try my best to follow the speed and have had but one ticket so far when I was 17
Yep charged for 33 in a 30 a new driver with only the start out six points by a dude here they called radar ogalvy or something like that who even charged his mom he said I was in a school zone with no postings however which is how he got away with what he did which was 6 points in those days
Came up to the car took my licence and towed my chevelle and I walked for 6 months and had to redo both driving tests in sydney and had to get my brother to drive me around in my chevelle for 6 months as he beat the crap out of it every day which killed me
I said never again and so far so good I don't have the luck or get the breaks you do
Cheers time to get at it

and freeze some more today

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Buckmark

· #52 · 15 d ago

3macs1 said:
Has nothing to do with being negative or what I think I shared the legal requirements and could not careless if you follow them or not
For me live by the law to the best of my ability especially when firearms are involved follow their rules exactly based on what is written not what someone tells me or how any law enforcement tells me it is unless it agrees with the laws as written which i can read myself and understand fully
I may not like it or agree with it but I accept it and follow it I don't do things thinking well they will never catch me or show me one guy charged or firgure luck is on my side and getting away with it once doesn't mean you will have ther same end result the next time But hey like I said your choice and any CO that tells you it is OK is not doing his job and is jetro and you even admitted that with your comment about him Sure they can be lenient but they can also nail you to the cross pending who stops you or what mood they are in and I am not willing to roll that dice for something so simple to do
Cheers

Good for you. I'm glad you're such a law abiding citizen. I am glad that you don't drive a kmh over the speed limit.... since speeding has been responsible for thousands of more deaths than my primer-less muzzy. Good for you !! Bravo 🙌

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3macs1

· #53 · 14 d ago (Edited)

Buckmark said:
Good for you. I'm glad you're such a law abiding citizen. I am glad that you don't drive a kmh over the speed limit.... since speeding has been responsible for thousands of more deaths than my primer-less muzzy. Good for you !! Bravo 🙌

F'n halarious you did it while I was typing and posted the above

before your usual comment

here Christ I am sharp this morning

maybe because I have not eaten my 4 eggs yet and taken my meds

Yep 4 eggs every day since diabetic and sick of them even if I make them 25 different ways

and f'k those diabetic pills make me sick after for a few hours I know this will sound crazy but the guy feeds them the real hot peppers which they love and the eggs taste differently This year I am growing them for him since he lost his greenhouse in the storm

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