[Wendell]

A bald eagle found in Wisconsin succumbed to lead toxicity levels four times that at which it could function, dying Monday after wildlife experts had tried to nurse her back to health. The Northwoods Wildlife Center in Minocqua, Wisc. found the eagle "lying face down" because she had no strength to hold her head up. The center tried to help the eagle for three weeks, but she was not strong enough to overcome the lead which had leeched into her blood system. "As a family, we are devastated but feel this is a teachable moment," NWC posted to Facebook. They recommended hunters switch to lead-free bullet options and "packing what you bring into the wilderness especially in regards to fishing tackle."

https://www.foxnews.com/science/wisconsin-bald-eagle-lead-rescuers

 

[3macs1]

PLEASE NOT again

Just this morning there were 5 eagles at lingan alone and two were young ones

There is no shortage of them here and bullets are NOT killing them just getting the blame as usual

Funny how we never hear a word any more about them all dying in NS since the dr passed

 

[682bubba]

PLEASE NOT again

Just this morning there were 5 eagles at lingan alone and two were young ones

There is no shortage of them here and bullets are NOT killing them just getting the blame as usual

Funny how we never hear a word any more about them all dying in NS since the dr passed

I watched two big ones fishin yesterday on the lakes and a big healthy nest in the same vicinity ,were pallutted with them so yeah not again...

 

[caperaway]

PLEASE NOT again

Funny how we never hear a word any more about them all dying in NS since the dr passed

Didn't read the CB Post? Morien Wildlife Assoc has taken up the torch for the Dr. They managed to get a dead eagle stuffed and will be using it to promote the switch to non lead ammo.

 

[3macs1]

Didn't read the CB Post? Morien Wildlife Assoc has taken up the torch for the Dr. They managed to get a dead eagle stuffed and will be using it to promote the switch to non lead ammo.

No missed that. mama cancelled the post after the jobs were moved to Halifax and just got it back maybe in the last month

LOL that group is no worry to any one. Might be fun to attend a session however

Cheers

 

[682bubba]

The anti hunting fishing group lol

 

[3macs1]

The anti hunting fishing group lol

You got it right

Known by many as the Port Moron Wildlife Group or Peach Party

Yes they are going to the government to get a 3 year trial for non lead on moose hunts

For F'k sake just make the moose tag mandatory non tox ammo Not like it will make any difference to the eagles here

I know if I ever get a moose tag not only would I gladly use non tox I would even buy a new rifle and split the moose with Ed if he would come

Have to ask David however if we could pay to hire him to guide us and stay at his camp

 

[Tyson10gauge]

The anti hunting fishing group lol

Very well said , and it was that way 30 yrs ago when I was once a member , not hard to see where the loyalties of so called Sportsman lie , myself like so many former members all same same thing it was crooked yrs ago and still is today , sell thier members out for a dime ! So much for these groups looking out for the interest of the members and thier best interests they try to contribute .

Heard another tid but they are in favor of bill C-71 and banning of certain firearms as I say I take it as rumor but given thier track record anything is possible .

Should change thier name to the Protection of Wildlife From Outdoorsman , fkn hipocrites

 

[Ghost]

PLEASE NOT again

Just this morning there were 5 eagles at lingan alone and two were young ones

There is no shortage of them here and bullets are NOT killing them just getting the blame as usual

Funny how we never hear a word any more about them all dying in NS since the dr passed

Funny how these eagles always manage to get themselves sick around hunting season. Crazy.

 

[labradort]

All of the studies on this are from the west. Eagles in Nova Scotia do not venture inland except along rivers. Someone has to PROVE that eagles go to gut piles, not point to it happening in the prairies or desert areas with condors and so on. If gut piles are the problem, where are the other scavengers dying from lead poisoning that have a greater chance of finding this like ravens and coyotes?

The thing no one wants to research is how male dairy newborns are killed and disposed of. A University of Guelph research paper mentioned there is no market for them in Atlantic Canada and we know they feed cattle remains to eagles at one major cattle slaughterhouse. My belief is the topic of killing baby cattle is too taboo and so no one wants to open it up to the details.

 

[3macs1]

Thirty years ago I could not find an eagle here. Now I cannot go 3 miles without seeing at least one

Take a few salmon heads to feed gulls and you will have one to eight at the heads in like 40 minutes

Anyone that thinks they are in trouble sure doesn't go with any of the groups that take pictures of them

That one Sheffield mills event my wife attends in the winter will blow any eagle lovers mind

Cheers

 

[Hfx.Hunter]

Funny how these eagles always manage to get themselves sick around hunting season. Crazy.

Amazing. Especially since gun deer hunting season in Wisconsin doesn't open until Nov 23rd !

 

[Ghost]

Amazing. Especially since gun deer hunting season in Wisconsin doesn't open until Nov 23rd !

See, before I made that post I actually took a bit of time to research..... unlike you.

So you took the time to look up the Wisconsin hunting season, but ignored the youth gun season that opens on Oct 5th?
https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/hunt/dates.html

It's ONLY 2 days you'll say... but, looks like Wisconsin is ahead of the times, they post their stats in real time. 6,738 deer registered as of Oct 22nd. 7,858 registered last year.

https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/harvest/deerharvest.html

https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/WildlifeHabitat/documents/reports/deerharve.pdf

AMAZING.

 

[Ghost]

All of the studies on this are from the west. Eagles in Nova Scotia do not venture inland except along rivers. Someone has to PROVE that eagles go to gut piles, not point to it happening in the prairies or desert areas with condors and so on. If gut piles are the problem, where are the other scavengers dying from lead poisoning that have a greater chance of finding this like ravens and coyotes?

The thing no one wants to research is how male dairy newborns are killed and disposed of. A University of Guelph research paper mentioned there is no market for them in Atlantic Canada and we know they feed cattle remains to eagles at one major cattle slaughterhouse. My belief is the topic of killing baby cattle is too taboo and so no one wants to open it up to the details.

Eagles winter in this province and their behaviour changes with the seasons. Most of their food in the winter comes from scavenging. There are a TON of pictures on this site showing them scavenging bait piles, road kill, etc. They literally just follow crows and take over.

Coyotes won't die of lead poisoning from one deer, mammals and birds are different. Would you notice or care about a sick crow or raven? Would you see one? Think of the numbers or crows and ravens you see everyday..... how many dead ones do you see? Crows and ravens are comfortable getting into thicker cover when they're not well. Eagles are big birds that live in the open. They would never enter an area from which they couldn't quickly escape. That's why they make the news. So yeah, researchers believe this impacts crows and ravens as well, it's just that we don't see them before they die.

I don't know anything about baby dairy cows... but isn't veal worth a fortune???

 

[Ghost]

Thirty years ago I could not find an eagle here. Now I cannot go 3 miles without seeing at least one

Take a few salmon heads to feed gulls and you will have one to eight at the heads in like 40 minutes

Anyone that thinks they are in trouble sure doesn't go with any of the groups that take pictures of them

That one Sheffield mills event my wife attends in the winter will blow any eagle lovers mind

Cheers

Let's play this game.

Thirty years ago I could not find a raccoon on CB island. Now I cannot go 3 miles without seeing at least one dead on the side of the road.

In that time... I've seen one living raccoon.

In the same time I've seen probably 100 living eagles but never a dead one.

Based on this rock hard logic... raccoons are endangered on CB island.

 

[Ghost]

All of the studies on this are from the west. Eagles in Nova Scotia do not venture inland except along rivers. Someone has to PROVE that eagles go to gut piles, not point to it happening in the prairies or desert areas with condors and so on. If gut piles are the problem, where are the other scavengers dying from lead poisoning that have a greater chance of finding this like ravens and coyotes?

The thing no one wants to research is how male dairy newborns are killed and disposed of. A University of Guelph research paper mentioned there is no market for them in Atlantic Canada and we know they feed cattle remains to eagles at one major cattle slaughterhouse. My belief is the topic of killing baby cattle is too taboo and so no one wants to open it up to the details.

Thirty years ago I could not find an eagle here. Now I cannot go 3 miles without seeing at least one

Take a few salmon heads to feed gulls and you will have one to eight at the heads in like 40 minutes

Anyone that thinks they are in trouble sure doesn't go with any of the groups that take pictures of them

That one Sheffield mills event my wife attends in the winter will blow any eagle lovers mind

Cheers

Also your friend 3macs1 took the time to testify that eagles would definitely hit gut piles.

 

[Buckmark]

I just came from a moose hunt in zone 5 in CB. We were 16 km from the main road and there were 2 eagles at this one kill site we came upon. All kinds of birds, actually. They all looked extremely healthy. Am I convinced it's the gut piles that are causing the eagles to die ???? I don't believe it for a minute. My group took a big bull ... (copper bullet was used by the shooter, by the way) .... and when you look at whats left after the processing .... my guess there aren't many lead fragments left. Most gets packed out of the woods. ..... as far as male dairy calves .... I really doubt many farmers "just kill them". Most go to market as bob calves to be finished for veal. The ones farmers dispose of, are usually sick. The dairy farmers i know use a captive bolt to euthanize sick animals.

 

[labradort]

From a paper written in 2017...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022030217305337

With an uncertain economic climate, some producers may decide to euthanize male calves because of the inability to generate a profit once the calf is housed and fed for several days before sale. In the Atlantic provinces, especially Newfoundland, a lack of accessibility to facilities that either raise male calves or market fully grown calves further compounds the economic challenges faced by dairy producers making decisions about male calf euthanasia. Because respondents in the Atlantic provinces had much higher odds of euthanasia at birth, it is likely that this economic factor explains this practice in this region of Canada.

This isn't a video in Canada, but shows how one farm in the U.K. does it:

Costs 10 cents per animal put down. Not every farmer will have invested in the bolt solution if they normally ship their animals to a slaughterhouse.

I don't know if anyone is doing this in Canada, but clearly, some farmers do.

 

[Ghost]

From a paper written in 2017...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022030217305337

This isn't a video in Canada, but shows how one farm in the U.K. does it:

Costs 10 cents per animal put down. Not every farmer will have invested in the bolt solution if they normally ship their animals to a slaughterhouse.

I don't know if anyone is doing this in Canada, but clearly, some farmers do.

Hi labradort,

I read the article you linked and watched the video. I hope I understand your concern.

Am I correct to assume that you believe that the killing and disposal of male dairy calves is contributing to lead poisoning?

 

[Ghost]

I just came from a moose hunt in zone 5 in CB. We were 16 km from the main road and there were 2 eagles at this one kill site we came upon. All kinds of birds, actually. They all looked extremely healthy. Am I convinced it's the gut piles that are causing the eagles to die ???? I don't believe it for a minute. My group took a big bull ... (copper bullet was used by the shooter, by the way) .... and when you look at whats left after the processing .... my guess there aren't many lead fragments left. Most gets packed out of the woods. ..... as far as male dairy calves .... I really doubt many farmers "just kill them". Most go to market as bob calves to be finished for veal. The ones farmers dispose of, are usually sick. The dairy farmers i know use a captive bolt to euthanize sick animals.

No offense, but they will all look healthy while they eat it. It's not arsenic. They won't be dropping dead on the carcass.